From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard M Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Change in rmail-reply Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 02:25:46 -0500 Message-ID: References: <874ozidq89.fsf@xemacs.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1233300544 6605 80.91.229.12 (30 Jan 2009 07:29:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 07:29:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 30 08:30:17 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LSnpM-0004tN-Qo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:30:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40817 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LSno4-0000zx-IE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 02:28:52 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LSnmj-0008Of-Gd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 02:27:29 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LSnmi-0008ON-Vd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 02:27:29 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=57268 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LSnmi-0008OG-Pd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 02:27:28 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:60222) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LSnmi-0001LF-Ao for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 02:27:28 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LSnl4-0002AP-C4; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 02:25:46 -0500 In-reply-to: <874ozidq89.fsf@xemacs.org> (stephen@xemacs.org) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:108389 Archived-At: > The RFC is clear, but it seems to be clearly wrong. If John Doe sends > a message to you, and you resend it to me, and I do "reply to all", it > seems clear that my reply should by default go to [you] If the resender wishes to indicate interest in the conversation, they can do this in a number of ways, including adding themselves as a CC, specifying a Reply-To header, or forwarding the message (ie, encapsulating the original text in a new message with themselves in the From header). I realize now that the resender is not a real issue. He is most likely one of the recipients of the original message, or reached via them, so sending a response there will reach him. The real issue is the other people to whom the message was resent. If he resends the message to rms@gnu.org and stephen@xemacs.org, and I reply, shouldn't my reply go to you? Adding the other recipients to the CC list may be difficult. With rmail-resend, the user does not edit the message. The idea is that all he needs to do is specify where to resend to, in the minibuffer, and then it goes there. Isn't that what resending is for? As for fowarding, that is no substitute, since the new header does not include the sender or other recipients of the original message. When you want to exclude them, forwarding is suitable. Otherwise, it isn't. If resending as a feature is designed for demons to send to intermediate addresses, and not for humans to use, what does that imply about rmail-resend? Should we delete the rmail-resend command? Make it warn "This command has counterintuitive results, since replies won't go to the other recipients you resend to"? Make it add those recipients to the CC list as well as putting them in Resent-to?