From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard M Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Terminology in multi-tty primitives Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:09:16 -0500 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1230588678 4301 80.91.229.12 (29 Dec 2008 22:11:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:11:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 29 23:12:24 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LHQLP-0002va-VP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 23:12:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39126 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LHQKC-00053H-8d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:11:00 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LHQJX-0004k8-6m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:10:19 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LHQJW-0004jn-MC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:10:18 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=42864 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LHQJW-0004jd-F8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:10:18 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:47643) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LHQJW-0007pN-4u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:10:18 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LHQIW-0006LK-NC; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:09:16 -0500 In-reply-to: (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:18:19 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:107398 Archived-At: I think you are wrong about suspend making no sense on GUI terminals: we have (in Emacs 23) suspend-frame that does work on GUI. It does this by lumping together various different operations. Really it is just a way of trying to make C-z do something meaningful on window systems where suspending Emacs is not useful. It is a useful command, but sheds no light on how to conceptualize the interfaces at the Lisp level. Anyway, the examples I gave were just that: examples. Here's another example: we have make-frame-on-display, make-frame-on-tty, and make-terminal-frame; and then we have make-frame that can do all of the above. IMO, it's terribly confusing. Would you like to propose a change for these, which people could consider?