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* bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bell instead
@ 2008-11-09  1:50 Jason Spiro
  2008-11-09  2:00 ` Processed: " Emacs bug Tracking System
                   ` (2 more replies)
  0 siblings, 3 replies; 180+ messages in thread
From: Jason Spiro @ 2008-11-09  1:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: control; +Cc: bug-gnu-emacs, 1305

retitle 1305 All code that currently beeps should use visual bell instead
thanks

2008/11/7 Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:
> Oh, that would be a clear "no", indeed.  Of course we'd replace it with
> the visible-bell (and I suspect that OP also intended it that way).

I didn't intend it that way:  the visual bell is also annoying, though
less annoying than the audible bell.  But fair enough.  :)  Retitling
accordingly.





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* bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bellinstead
@ 2008-11-17  7:32 Tim Connors
  2008-11-17  7:37 ` Jason Spiro
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 180+ messages in thread
From: Tim Connors @ 2008-11-17  7:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jason Spiro; +Cc: rms, bug-gnu-emacs, bug-submit-list, 1305

"Jason Spiro" <jasonspiro4@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2008/11/10 Richard M. Stallman <rms@gnu.org> wrote:
>> For changes like this, you should poll the users, with a poll
>> announced at least on info-gnu-emacs and help-gnu-emacs.
>>
>> To get the most useful information in return, it is important to ask
>> them to state the reasons for their preference, rather than simply to
>> "vote".
>
> We should poll for which change?  Surely removing beeping from the
> trivial things like:
>
> * quit (C-g), and
> * moving the point off the end of the buffer, and
> * failing isearches
>
> should not require a poll.

See, I very much disagree that at least one of these is a "trivial" use,
which demonstrates that deciding not to ask for a poll because *you* think
something is obviously the case is a flawed proposition.

For the first year of the life of this laptop, the sound driver didn't
output beeps at all, which made editing in emacs very much more painful
(the latest ALSA release restores beeps for this chipset, yay).

I find visible-bell *way* too distracting, so use beeps (I can turn it
down and control its pitch, but I can't make reverse video any less of a
shock to the eyesight).  And I've lost count of the number of times I've
gone more than once around a buffer doing an isearch, because I failed to
hear the non-existant beep telling me I had already gone around once.  A
simple visual notification in the status area is not enough, because
almost by definition the entire screen is changing every isearch anyway,
so a few extra words saying "failing i-search" doesn't get noticed.

-- 
TimC
cat /kat/ n.  A furry keyboard cover






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2008-11-09  1:50 bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bell instead Jason Spiro
2008-11-09  2:00 ` Processed: " Emacs bug Tracking System
2008-11-09  3:57 ` bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bellinstead Drew Adams
2008-11-09  4:08   ` Jason Spiro
2008-11-09 19:17     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-11-09 19:04   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-11-09 19:19     ` Drew Adams
2008-11-09 20:00       ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-11-10  2:07         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-10  6:28           ` Drew Adams
2008-11-11 21:20             ` bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should usevisual bellinstead Drew Adams
2008-11-10  8:34           ` bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bellinstead Lennart Borgman
2008-11-10 15:22             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-10 16:58               ` Lennart Borgman
2008-11-11 18:38                 ` Jason A. Spiro
2008-11-10 22:17           ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-11-11 18:50             ` Jason Spiro
2008-11-12  3:33               ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-11-13  7:41                 ` Jason Spiro
2021-04-17  6:06           ` bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bell instead Stefan Kangas
2021-04-17  7:03             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-17 11:54             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-17 12:31               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-17 12:39                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-17 12:55                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-17 13:07                     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-17 13:13                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-17 13:32                         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-17 13:39                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-17 14:05                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-17 14:08                             ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-18 10:41                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-18 12:22                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-18 13:32                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-18 15:23                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-18 15:42                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-17 19:17                           ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-04-17 17:01                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-17 20:59                         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-17 21:09                           ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2021-04-17 21:17                             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-17 21:52                               ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2021-04-17 22:04                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-17 23:30                                   ` bug#1305: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-18 10:38                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-18 12:22                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-18 12:36                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-18 13:10                                         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-18 13:15                                           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-18 15:22                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-18 15:28                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-18 15:38                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-18 18:34                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-19 12:37                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-19 13:04                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-19 13:26                                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-25 18:06                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-25 20:06                                                         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-19 13:30                                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-18 17:02                                             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-18 17:13                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-18 18:02                                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-18 18:35                                                   ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-18 18:45                                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-18 19:04                                                       ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-18 19:19                                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-18 15:06                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-18 15:11                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-18 15:23                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-18 15:35                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-19 12:56                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-19 13:12                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-25 18:03                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-25 18:52                                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2021-04-25 19:01                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-25 19:18                                                         ` Andreas Schwab
2021-04-25 19:33                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-18 16:07                                             ` Andreas Schwab
2021-04-19 12:38                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-18 16:12                                             ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-18 16:20                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2021-04-19 12:39                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-18 15:18                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-18 15:26                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-18 15:37                                           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-18 16:27                                           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-18 16:38                                             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-18 17:05                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-18 17:14                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-19 12:33                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-19 12:40                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-19 12:47                                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-19 13:01                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-19 13:16                                                         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-19 13:26                                                           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-19 13:37                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-19 14:41                                                           ` Alan Third
2021-04-20 14:21                                                             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-20 18:27                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-20 19:19                                                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-21  1:16                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-21  6:47                                                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-21 13:11                                                                       ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-21 14:05                                                                         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-21 14:12                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-21 14:30                                                                           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-21 14:35                                                                             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-21 14:45                                                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-21 14:53                                                                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-21 21:27                                                                                   ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-21 14:33                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-21 14:51                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-21 15:14                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-25 18:12                                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-25 21:03                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-27  1:07                                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-27  9:54                                                                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-27 15:15                                                                                   ` bug#1305: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-27 23:21                                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-28 10:08                                                                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-28 13:12                                                                                       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-29 16:50                                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-29 19:48                                                                                           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-29 20:17                                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-29 21:46                                                                                               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-29 23:23                                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-29 23:35                                                                                                   ` bug#1305: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-29 23:52                                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-05-01  7:50                                                                                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-05-01 14:13                                                                                                       ` Drew Adams
2021-05-01 16:55                                                                                                         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-05-01 14:28                                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-01 16:48                                                                                                         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-05-02 10:44                                                                                                         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-30  7:09                                                                                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-30 22:22                                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-30 23:19                                                                                                       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-30 23:28                                                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-05-01  0:00                                                                                                           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-05-01  0:57                                                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-05-01  7:50                                                                                                               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-05-01  0:05                                                                                                           ` bug#1305: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-05-01  1:08                                                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-05-01  2:05                                                                                                               ` Drew Adams
2021-04-29 23:36                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-30  7:13                                                                                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-29 22:38                                                                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-29 23:11                                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-30  6:58                                                                                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-30 13:08                                                                                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-30  5:05                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-30  6:51                                                                                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-30  7:06                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-30  7:27                                                                                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-30  8:03                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-30  8:41                                                                                                         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-21 15:08                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-21 15:18                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-21 16:14                                                                             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-21 17:27                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-21 20:26                                                                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-21 22:03                                                                                 ` bug#1305: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-21 14:45                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-21 16:01                                                                         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-21 17:34                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-21 20:22                                                                         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-19 12:51                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-19 14:03                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-18 15:27                                         ` bug#1305: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-18  6:30                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-18 11:10                             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-18 11:38                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-18 15:14                             ` bug#1305: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-17 13:16                     ` Drew Adams
2021-04-17 16:59                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2008-11-10 21:25 ` Xavier Maillard
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2008-11-17  7:32 bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bellinstead Tim Connors
2008-11-17  7:37 ` Jason Spiro
2008-11-17  8:01   ` Sven Joachim
2008-11-17 14:52   ` Stefan Monnier

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