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From: "Richard M. Stallman" <rms@gnu.org>
To: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>
Cc: monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Specifying mode in file variables trouble
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 00:45:40 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1Kj5D2-0004uq-3s@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48DC03FA.7010509@gmail.com> (lennart.borgman@gmail.com)

    >     * If a variable is bound locally by one of the major modes used within
    >     mumamo, or by the mode hooks it runs, then kill it when moving to a
    >     chunk in another major mode.

    Do you mean the third case aboove here?

Yes.

					    I think this is a good idea.
    This is what I have implemented now in the latest sources (and that I
    sent here).

Ok.

    >     * Any other buffer-local variable should survive through motion between
    >     chunks.

    I am not sure about this one, but I think it would be better to use the
    third case for these variables too (and that is what I do now) if not
    their 'permanent-buffer local property is non-nil.

That is surely not right, because it means that almost all minor modes
can get lost when moving between chunks.

I think you should switch to what I proposed.

    > Can you find any use cases where this would not be right?

    Let say that the user for example want to use another indentation step
    for a specific chunk type. Then my comment above would perhaps apply.

How would a user specify variable values for particular chunk types?
Does mumamo have a facility for that?  I think only a special mumamo
facility could make this convenient.

That facility would implement whatever chunk-switching behavior is
most suitable.

So it looks my simple proposal is adequate.

    I am a bit worried by this complexity for the users.  One way to avoid it
    would perhaps to introduce the concept of a new "persistent level"
    between 'permanent-local=t and 'permanent-local=nil. A level that would
    be like 'permanent-local=t but just for the current buffer.

That might be a good idea if we really need it.
But my proposal is simpler:

     * If a variable is bound locally by one of the major modes used within
     mumamo, or by the mode hooks it runs, then kill it when moving to a
     chunk in another major mode.

     * Any other buffer-local variable should survive through motion between
     chunks.

So unless we see a use case for which this isn't right,
why not stick with it?




  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-09-26  4:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-09-20  0:44 Specifying mode in file variables trouble Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-20  0:48 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-20  0:59 ` Miles Bader
2008-09-20  1:06   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-21  6:32     ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-21 12:33       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-21 23:34         ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-22  0:38           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-22  4:39             ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-22 13:14               ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-22 14:12                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-09-22 14:26                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-23  4:40                     ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-23  9:29                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-23 19:47                         ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-22 23:11                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-23  4:40                 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-23  9:47                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-23 19:47                     ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-23 20:43                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-24 13:47                         ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-24 13:47                         ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-24 17:21                           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-25  5:49                             ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-25  6:28                               ` tomas
2008-09-25  6:41                                 ` Paul R
2008-09-25  7:55                                   ` tomas
2008-09-25  8:35                                     ` Paul R
2008-09-25 16:42                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2008-09-27  4:39                                 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-10-21 19:16                                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-10-22  5:21                                     ` tomas
2008-10-22  6:21                                     ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-23 19:47                     ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-23 20:37                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-24 13:47                         ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-24 16:23                           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-25  5:50                             ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-24 23:09                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-23  4:40                 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-23  9:57                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-23 16:03                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-09-23 17:22                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-23 20:33                         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-09-23 20:48                           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-23 21:27                             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-09-23 21:30                               ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-24 20:57                                 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-24 21:29                                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-25 17:46                                     ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-25 21:34                                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-26  4:45                                         ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-26  4:45                                         ` Richard M. Stallman [this message]
2008-09-25 17:46                                     ` Selecting mumamo modes Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-25 21:12                                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-26  4:45                                         ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-10-21 19:20                                           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-23 19:47                     ` Specifying mode in file variables trouble Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-23 20:26                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-24 20:56                         ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-24 21:21                           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-25 17:46                             ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-25 21:36                               ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-26  4:45                                 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-24 20:57                         ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-24 21:45                           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-20 19:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-09-20 23:34   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)

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