From: "Richard M. Stallman" <rms@gnu.org>
To: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>
Cc: monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Specifying mode in file variables trouble
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:46:01 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1Kiuuf-0004MS-HF@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48DAB149.9060408@gmail.com> (lennart.borgman@gmail.com)
> If we want all major modes to do something different, we can change
> the functions `kill-all-local-variables' and `run-hooks'.
Yes, that could be a way, but I think we first have to think about how,
when and which buffer local variables should survive moving between
chunks with different major modes.
Yes, exactly. Before proposing mechanisms, the first step is to look
at what the cases are and see what behavior we want.
I have thought about three different
cases:
- Buffer local variables that should never survive moving between chunks
with different major modes.
- Those that always should survive (but be killed when switching major
modes when mumamo is not used).
- Those that will be killed when moving to a chunk with a different
major mode, but will be resurrected when point again reaches a chunk
with the same major mode. (They are what I call "per major mode".)
I agree that these three behaviors should suffice. (We also want
variables that survive all changes in major mode, and that's what
`permanent-local' does now.)
Do we need all these behaviors?
I doubt that the first behavior is needed, except for a few variables
used specially in the implementation of mumamo. Mumamo can easily
implement that behavior for those few variables.
Can you find any other use cases for which the first behavior is needed?
If not, let's forget it.
I think the second and third behaviors are both useful. So the next step
is to design conditions under which each one should happen.
To do that, we need to see the _pattern_ of when each behavior is
desired. So please collect use cases for them.
Here's a proposal that came to me, suggested by what I know about
use-case patterns.
* If a variable is bound locally by one of the major modes used within
mumamo, or by the mode hooks it runs, then kill it when moving to a
chunk in another major mode.
* Any other buffer-local variable should survive through motion between
chunks.
Can you find any use cases where this would not be right?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-09-25 17:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-09-20 0:44 Specifying mode in file variables trouble Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-20 0:48 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-20 0:59 ` Miles Bader
2008-09-20 1:06 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-21 6:32 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-21 12:33 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-21 23:34 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-22 0:38 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-22 4:39 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-22 13:14 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-22 14:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-09-22 14:26 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-23 4:40 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-23 9:29 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-23 19:47 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-22 23:11 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-23 4:40 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-23 9:47 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-23 19:47 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-23 20:43 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-24 13:47 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-24 13:47 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-24 17:21 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-25 5:49 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-25 6:28 ` tomas
2008-09-25 6:41 ` Paul R
2008-09-25 7:55 ` tomas
2008-09-25 8:35 ` Paul R
2008-09-25 16:42 ` Lennart Borgman
2008-09-27 4:39 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-10-21 19:16 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-10-22 5:21 ` tomas
2008-10-22 6:21 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-23 19:47 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-23 20:37 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-24 13:47 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-24 16:23 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-25 5:50 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-24 23:09 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-23 4:40 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-23 9:57 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-23 16:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-09-23 17:22 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-23 20:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-09-23 20:48 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-23 21:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-09-23 21:30 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-24 20:57 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-24 21:29 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-25 17:46 ` Richard M. Stallman [this message]
2008-09-25 21:34 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-26 4:45 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-26 4:45 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-25 17:46 ` Selecting mumamo modes Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-25 21:12 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-26 4:45 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-10-21 19:20 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-23 19:47 ` Specifying mode in file variables trouble Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-23 20:26 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-24 20:56 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-24 21:21 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-25 17:46 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-25 21:36 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-26 4:45 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-24 20:57 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-24 21:45 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-20 19:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-09-20 23:34 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
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