From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Alfred M. Szmidt" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why @#! is not Emacs using the Recycle bin on w32? Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:38:11 -0400 Message-ID: References: <48B7288E.3040503@gmail.com> <48B73D8F.90501@gmail.com> <48B7AC10.6090800@gmail.com> <48B7B08B.6050103@gmail.com> <48B7F905.7060605@gmail.com> <001301c909e8$d63092e0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <20080829155801.05fabc31.taylor@metasyntax.net> <48B85740.8060309@gmail.com> <20080829164637.4211a5b7.taylor@metasyntax.net> <48B86366.7040303@gmail.com> <87ljyfxz25.fsf@shellarchive.co.uk> <48B87432.6050902@gmail.com> <20080830100336.17179835.taylor@metasyntax.net> <48B95505.50808@gmail.com> <87iqtijfr9.fsf@anzu.internal.golden-gryphon.com> <48B9D20A.6080604@harpegolden.net> <87abetkg7j.fsf@anzu.internal.golden-gryphon.com> <48BA4077.5 040309@harpegolden.net> <48BA64F4.8090403@harpegolden.net> <48BAB318.4040403@gmail.com> Reply-To: ams@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1220200806 12123 80.91.229.12 (31 Aug 2008 16:40:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 16:40:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, david@harpegolden.net To: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 31 18:41:00 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KZpyw-0005Qt-DF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 18:40:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47871 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KZpxx-00039O-G4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:39:53 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KZpxs-00038w-It for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:39:48 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KZpxq-00038J-UJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:39:47 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=51334 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KZpxq-00038F-Q2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:39:46 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:58768) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KZpxq-0007Dt-JH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:39:46 -0400 Original-Received: from ams by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KZpwJ-0003Sl-I9; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:38:11 -0400 In-reply-to: <48BAB318.4040403@gmail.com> (lennart.borgman@gmail.com) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:103324 Archived-At: > I think it is quite a bad idea to make emacs behave like GNOME, > and other such enviroments. Emacs is vastly different from them, > and just making users think that Emacs somehow behaves like GNOME > is bad for the users; it doesn't beave at all like GNOME. Are you not assuming that users do not expect Emacs to behave like other applications in the GUI environment they are using? I do not expect a KDE program to look, or behave like a GNOME program. I do not exepct Emacs to look and behave like GNOME either, it doesn't, just things like the keybindings are sufficiently different, let alone that you cannot configure Emacs using the GNOME facilities. I think they mostly do expect and want that from any program. Emacs is no exception for new users as I see it. Making emacs nice for new users is good, but it should not be the goal since all new users will become old users.