From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Alfred M. Szmidt" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Release plans Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:57:56 -0400 Message-ID: References: <48A5BAD7.8030302@emf.net> <48A740CB.4050404@emf.net> <20080816213508.GA8530@muc.de> <87hc9ka8eg.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080817073124.GA1294@muc.de> <87ljyv5gy5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080818101802.GA2615@muc.de> <87bpzqqk7b.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080818210927.GD2615@muc.de> <87wsidnxqp.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87ljytkwpk.fsf@rattlesnake.com> <878wusz0v9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87vdxp27z6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87prnxe5hc.fsf@rattlesnake.com> <873aktck5d.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87k5e5dsvq.fsf@rattlesnake.com> <48B44802.1080302@emf.net> <48B5D5EF.2030501@emf.net> Reply-To: ams@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1219874382 5728 80.91.229.12 (27 Aug 2008 21:59:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:59:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bob@rattlesnake.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Thomas Lord Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 28 00:00:35 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KYT45-0004KH-8i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:00:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52190 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KYT37-00054a-36 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:59:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KYT33-00053G-40 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:59:29 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KYT31-00051V-T7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:59:28 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=47650 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KYT31-00051P-RW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:59:27 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:51834) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KYT31-0002GO-FE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:59:27 -0400 Original-Received: from ams by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KYT1Y-0006uB-Qk; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:57:56 -0400 In-reply-to: <48B5D5EF.2030501@emf.net> (message from Thomas Lord on Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:32:15 -0700) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:103055 Archived-At: Remember that 30 years ago you were a hacker just out to "improve the system" and any artificial legal hoo-haw that got in the way just seemed stupid (at first) and then sinister (leading to the movement). Ok, so... don't go from that good position, way back then, to a modern one where for some twisted reason you conclude that you should decline to "improve the system" when you have every right to. Feature bans are antithetical to the hacker spirit that gave rise to the free software movement. Nobody has banned any feature. The maintainers are simply stating that such a patch would be rejected and why; just like they would reject a patch that does not follow coding standards or introduces a bug. It would have been no different than rejecting a patch that would add a login with passwords on ITS or file permissions... People hacking the system would have felt that it would not improve the system, as is the case here.