From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: bob@rattlesnake.com (Robert J. Chassell) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Release plans Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:48:13 -0400 Message-ID: References: <48A5BAD7.8030302@emf.net> <48A740CB.4050404@emf.net> <20080816213508.GA8530@muc.de> <87hc9ka8eg.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080817073124.GA1294@muc.de> <87ljyv5gy5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080818101802.GA2615@muc.de> <87bpzqqk7b.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080818210927.GD2615@muc.de> <87wsidnxqp.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87ljytkwpk.fsf@rattlesnake.com> <878wusz0v9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1219254616 2219 80.91.229.12 (20 Aug 2008 17:50:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:50:16 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 20 19:51:08 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KVrpr-00012T-4H for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:51:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60193 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KVrot-0001B0-3i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:50:07 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KVroQ-0000hB-D5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:49:38 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KVroO-0000eD-HL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:49:37 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=46199 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KVroN-0000dv-GK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:49:35 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:38281) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KVroM-0003Am-TN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:49:35 -0400 Original-Received: from bob by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KVrn3-000497-Rp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:48:13 -0400 In-reply-to: <878wusz0v9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (stephen@xemacs.org) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:102735 Archived-At: Robert J. Chassell writes: > Freedom *means* that you may do something without concern for > interference from your government or your neighbors. > > That is individualist freedom. Sure, but communitarian freedom has typically been espoused by leaders who create a personality cult around them and brook little actual dissent, etc. That is often true. Same in software. Software freedom is *not* about a personality that overshadows the rest of the community, is it? Rather, it is a very individualist freedom. Copyright law has to do with copying between people. It is not very individualist except that it is supposed somewhat to protect smaller people and corporations who can afford lawyers from bigger people and corporations who can also afford lawyers. The current copyright law and its implementation may not be the best mechanism for dealing with easily transferred goods, like computer programs, but it is all we have for dealing with those who might steal from us. -- Robert J. Chassell GnuPG Key ID: 004B4AC8 bob@rattlesnake.com bob@gnu.org http://www.rattlesnake.com http://www.teak.cc References: <48A5BAD7.8030302@emf.net> <48A740CB.4050404@emf.net> <20080816213508.GA8530@muc.de> <87hc9ka8eg.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080817073124.GA1294@muc.de> <87ljyv5gy5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080818101802.GA2615@muc.de> <87bpzqqk7b.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080818210927.GD2615@muc.de> <87wsidnxqp.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87ljytkwpk.fsf@rattlesnake.com> <878wusz0v9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> In-reply-to: <878wusz0v9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (stephen@xemacs.org) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Release plans From: bob@rattlesnake.com (Robert J. Chassell) --text follows this line-- Robert J. Chassell writes: > Freedom *means* that you may do something without concern for > interference from your government or your neighbors. > > That is individualist freedom. Sure, but communitarian freedom has typically been espoused by leaders who create a personality cult around them and brook little actual dissent, etc. That is often true. Same in software. Software freedom is *not* about a personality that overshadows the rest of the community, is it? Rather, it is a very individualist freedom. Copyright law has to do with copying between people. It is not very individualist except that it is supposed somewhat to protect smaller people and corporations who can afford lawyers from bigger people and corporations who can also afford lawyers. The current copyright law and its implementation may not be the best mechanism for dealing with easily transferred goods, like computer programs, but it is all we have for dealing with those who might steal from us. -- Robert J. Chassell GnuPG Key ID: 004B4AC8 bob@rattlesnake.com bob@gnu.org http://www.rattlesnake.com http://www.teak.cc