From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Alfred M. Szmidt" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Release plans Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:02:59 -0400 Message-ID: References: <10697146.3630221218551689983.JavaMail.www@wwinf4615> <20080812171404.GB7999@muc.de> <20080813092057.GA3010@muc.de> <20080814083817.GA2593@muc.de> <877iak7xfp.fsf@skyscraper.fehenstaub.lan> <873al79akr.fsf@skyscraper.fehenstaub.lan> <87tzdn7sar.fsf@skyscraper.fehenstaub.lan> <87ej4r7mft.fsf@skyscraper.fehenstaub.lan> Reply-To: ams@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1218722742 16495 80.91.229.12 (14 Aug 2008 14:05:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:05:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Johannes Weiner Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 14 16:06:33 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KTdSA-0004I3-FP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:05:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51568 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KTdRE-0003kt-5J for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:04:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KTdR8-0003kR-Dt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:04:22 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KTdR6-0003kD-Vo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:04:22 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=59467 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KTdR6-0003kA-Tq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:04:20 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:53268) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KTdR6-00017k-GF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:04:20 -0400 Original-Received: from ams by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KTdPn-00051L-C0; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:02:59 -0400 In-reply-to: <87ej4r7mft.fsf@skyscraper.fehenstaub.lan> (message from Johannes Weiner on Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:31:18 +0200) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:102456 Archived-At: > Some people are annoyed by the transient mark, some are not. > Even if all maintainers would find that feature annoying, it > would be a good thing to have it anyway for some people might > find it useful. > > TTM doesn't have the side effect of alllowing someone to > subjugate the rights of a user, loadable modules do. Again, the user has the right to choose. As I said, you might forbid cars with the same argument, i.e. it could be harmful to the user. Nobody has forbidden anything. The Emacs maintainers have simply decided that the specific feature you want won't be included in Emacs, nothing more. Your basic assumption is that if someone writes non-free software, the user would be totally helpless and enslaved by the author. This is not true! The person would be in a position she chose to be in BY FREE WILL. Non-free software users are indeed under the exclusive control of the author, the author decides what they can do with the program. The only right thing from the user is to refuse to use the non-free program.