From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard M Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Release plans Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 01:12:10 -0400 Message-ID: References: <570553.73339.qm@web95014.mail.in2.yahoo.com> <20080731093022.GB2886@muc.de> <20080801153128.GB13919@muc.de> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217654011 8137 80.91.229.12 (2 Aug 2008 05:13:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 05:13:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dhruva@ymail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 02 07:14:21 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KP9RV-0001nz-AA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 07:14:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56363 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KP9Qa-0000xV-Cf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 01:13:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KP9QR-0000v7-VW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 01:13:08 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KP9QR-0000uE-8Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 01:13:07 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=34888 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KP9QQ-0000tv-TO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 01:13:06 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:35656) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KP9QQ-0006N5-TH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 01:13:06 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KP9PW-00013I-63; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 01:12:10 -0400 In-reply-to: <20080801153128.GB13919@muc.de> (message from Alan Mackenzie on Fri, 1 Aug 2008 15:31:28 +0000) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101940 Archived-At: > Have you seen any cases where that eventually led a person to switch > from proprietary software to free software? Well, that's not a binary thing. Seeing Emacs has caused people to use free software more, and to use more free software. Many projects I've been on have run on a Windows or Unix company network, but have used GCC, GNU Make, bash, and friends to build the product. I've introduced quite a few people to Emacs, the odd one or two to GAWK, ...., and they're probably still using them. One or two are probably using GNU/Linux on their home PCs, too. More use of some free programs is a kind of partial success that falls short of our goal. All else being equal, it is better if Windows and Unix users compile with GCC than if they compile with a proprietary compiler. But that isn't our goal, it just gets part way there. That is why I asked if you have ever seen such cases lead to real success: a person liberated from proprietary software?