From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard M Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Release plans Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 01:12:01 -0400 Message-ID: References: <570553.73339.qm@web95014.mail.in2.yahoo.com> <20080731093022.GB2886@muc.de> <200808011939.59277.davi@leals.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217654189 8483 80.91.229.12 (2 Aug 2008 05:16:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 05:16:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, dhruva@ymail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Davi Leal Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 02 07:17:19 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KP9US-0002S6-Gj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 07:17:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47747 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KP9TX-0003YY-Dq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 01:16:19 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KP9Qt-0001JB-Vo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 01:13:36 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KP9Qs-0001I7-UL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 01:13:35 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=34904 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KP9Qs-0001Hq-L5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 01:13:34 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:35708) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KP9Qs-0006QJ-Jw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 01:13:34 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KP9PN-00012K-SQ; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 01:12:01 -0400 In-reply-to: <200808011939.59277.davi@leals.com> (message from Davi Leal on Fri, 1 Aug 2008 19:39:58 +0200) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101942 Archived-At: > No, I expect that router does not count. I'd expect users don't > install software at all in that, so it might as well be a circuit, and > we don't need to ask whether there is actually software inside it. > > You are arguing against a straw man that didn't come from me. So we are not forced to give a copy of the source code which is used inside the GNU/Linux based routers and bridges network appliances we rent to our customers? That's a different question entirely, which is not what I was talking about. By criticizing something nobody said, you are only sabotaging the discussion. Yes, you are right. Those are all good reasons to protest against Apple. But none of these are particularly egregious examples of “evil” DRM is always evil. — particularly since Apple has a history of going out of its way to make the restrictions it imposes as light as possible for its customers — It's not true, but even if it were, it would not signify. Apple entered voluntarily into a deal with record companies to implement DRM, and it shares in the profits from that deal, so it also shares in the culpability.