From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard M Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Release plans Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:01:38 -0400 Message-ID: References: <570553.73339.qm@web95014.mail.in2.yahoo.com> <20080731093022.GB2886@muc.de> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217541773 27361 80.91.229.12 (31 Jul 2008 22:02:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:02:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dhruva@ymail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 01 00:03:42 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KOgFJ-0007Wr-HK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 00:03:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46468 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KOgEN-0004iK-H6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:02:43 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KOgEI-0004hw-3s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:02:38 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KOgEG-0004hX-8D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:02:37 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=40266 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KOgEG-0004hU-5g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:02:36 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:38868) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KOgEF-0003n8-OU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:02:36 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KOgDK-00079x-En; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:01:38 -0400 In-reply-to: <20080731093022.GB2886@muc.de> (message from Alan Mackenzie on Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:30:22 +0000) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101830 Archived-At: MS-Windows, like fossil-fuelled transportation, is something undesirable, but difficult to avoid without separating from mainstream society. They are not similar; avoiding Windows is far easier. Please do not exaggerate. If I were to reject paid work involving MS-Windows and (proprietary) Unix, I would need to find paid work outside of software development. I was prepared to do that if necessary in 1984. Fortunately I did not have to. Maybe you wouldn't either. As far as I can, I run only free software at home. However my PC's BIOS is not free, On fsf.org there are recommendations for PCs that run with a free BIOS. and neither is the software in my DSL router - yet. Would you likewise suggest I should not use DSL until fully free firmware becomes available? No, I expect that router does not count. I'd expect users don't install software at all in that, so it might as well be a circuit, and we don't need to ask whether there is actually software inside it. You are arguing against a straw man that didn't come from me. Sadly, the freedom in free software doesn't excite most people - Emacs's capabilities do, though. Have you seen any cases where that eventually led a person to switch from proprietary software to free software?