From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard M Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs vista build failures Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:47:24 -0400 Message-ID: References: <863alzd1mi.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <20080726080304.GA1419@muc.de> <20080729062138.GE8362@tomas> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217389771 8398 80.91.229.12 (30 Jul 2008 03:49:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:49:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, barry_fishman@acm.org To: tomas@tuxteam.de Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 30 05:50:19 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KO2he-0006vF-7V for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:50:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51187 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KO2gk-0003Ll-01 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:49:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KO2fj-00025c-27 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:48:19 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KO2fh-00023R-Hf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:48:18 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=42796 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KO2fh-00023B-94 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:48:17 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:51823) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KO2fh-0000c3-Fs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:48:17 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KO2eq-0008IA-8h; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:47:24 -0400 In-reply-to: <20080729062138.GE8362@tomas> X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101735 Archived-At: > I think freedom is not just having source, and the permission to make > changes and distribute them. Its also about it being straightforward to > actually modify applications [...] Amen. Also called the "low hacktivation energy". We must never lump together injustice with mere imperfection. This is a fundamental confusion. The former we can condemn, and perhaps stamp out. The latter we can only work to reduce.