From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard M Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Meanness Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:49:41 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20080726081019.GB1419@muc.de> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217170324 19047 80.91.229.12 (27 Jul 2008 14:52:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:52:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: ams@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 27 16:52:53 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KN7cC-0005D2-KB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:52:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47767 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KN7bI-0005VX-MW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:51:56 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KN7Zw-0004lM-Ja for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:50:32 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KN7Zv-0004kl-UU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:50:32 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=52795 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KN7Zv-0004kd-J6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:50:31 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:49604) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KN7Zv-0007tx-Dw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:50:31 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KN7Z7-0004Ap-UO; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:49:41 -0400 In-reply-to: (ams@gnu.org) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101578 Archived-At: And the goal of Emacs is to improve the GNU operating system, and not non-free operating systems. Exactly. GNU Emacs is part of a larger project, the GNU system, whose goal is to make software free. Eli wrote: As long as Emacs is not sold to Microsoft nor bundled with it out of the box, no one can claim that I'm improving non-free operating systems. In a very literal sense, no. But it does make the non-free operating system more usable, and that goes directly against the goal of making GNU superior to Windows. This is not the only factor in the decision, but it is a factor that we must not forget. David wrote: But that's missing the point. Of course free software will also get used and employed on proprietary systems. It is one consequence of their freedom. The question was whether we should make it _our_ focus, the focus of the GNU project. Exactly. And our decision is that we don't.