From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs vista build failures Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:49:56 -0400 Message-ID: References: <36366a980807101702r5677d096g8e62ef5b3e278868@mail.gmail.com> <87zloggji9.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <878wvxxkn6.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87ej5oz4pb.fsf@saeurebad.de> <87vdyzxype.fsf@saeurebad.de> <871w1njq32.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87iquzxgtk.fsf@saeurebad.de> <4884CFEF.8040404@gmail.com> <87ej5nxew2.fsf@saeurebad.de> <4884DA4F.20203@gmail.com> <8763qzxcfd.fsf@saeurebad.de> <4884E551.3050304@gmail.com> <86fxq2j1af.fsf@timbral.net> <4885977B.6090700@gnu.org> <4886E9CD.201@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216817464 32394 80.91.229.12 (23 Jul 2008 12:51:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:51:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: stephen_leake@member.fsf.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jason Rumney Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 23 14:51:53 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KLdok-0000gw-Hp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:51:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34361 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLdnr-0000hD-8d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:50:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLdnm-0000gu-KJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:50:42 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLdnl-0000gg-4u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:50:42 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=34820 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLdnk-0000gd-W3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:50:41 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:60900) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KLdnk-0000Qz-Kg; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:50:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eliz by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KLdn2-0005c6-DX; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:49:56 -0400 In-reply-to: <4886E9CD.201@gnu.org> (message from Jason Rumney on Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:20:29 +0100) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101306 Archived-At: > Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:20:29 +0100 > From: Jason Rumney > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Stephen Leake wrote: > > > Some might say "it's not 'native'; it relies on the cygwin.dll". > > That is not a real criticism, many Windows programs depend on their own > shared libraries. > > A real criticism is that it does not interact well with native Windows > programs, which causes lots of ugly workarounds to be needed in shell > scripts and makefiles. Yes, exactly. The /cygdrive stuff, the incompatible command-line quoting, text/binary mounts of filesystems, reliance on Bash when `system' is called, signals that only work between Cygwin programs, etc. etc., -- all this makes Cygwin a perfect environment if, but only if you confine yourself to running Cygwin programs and nothing else.