From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs vista build failures Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:18:25 -0400 Message-ID: References: <36366a980807101702r5677d096g8e62ef5b3e278868@mail.gmail.com> <487C5FA3.4070603@emf.net> <87zloggji9.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <878wvxxkn6.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87ej5oz4pb.fsf@saeurebad.de> <87vdyzxype.fsf@saeurebad.de> <871w1njq32.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87iquzxgtk.fsf@saeurebad.de> <4884CFEF.8040404@gmail.com> <87ej5nxew2.fsf@saeurebad.de> <4884DA4F.20203@gmail.com> <8763qzxcfd.fsf@saeurebad.de> <4884E551.3050304@gmail.com> <86fxq2j1af.fsf@timbral.net> <4885977B.6090700@gnu.org> <488641EA.6080808@gmail.com> <85wsjd64ox.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216765162 23842 80.91.229.12 (22 Jul 2008 22:19:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:19:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: thorne@timbral.net, ams@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, lennart.borgman@gmail.com, jasonr@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 23 00:20:10 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KLQDK-0005mj-IK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:20:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43891 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLQCR-00020P-4s for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:19:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLQCM-00020A-ER for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:19:10 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLQCL-0001zy-1E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:19:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=60859 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLQCK-0001zv-SL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:19:08 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:60464) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KLQCK-00055l-VW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:19:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eliz by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KLQBd-0006zU-26; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:18:25 -0400 In-reply-to: <85wsjd64ox.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (message from David Kastrup on Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:31:58 +0200) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101252 Archived-At: > From: David Kastrup > Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:31:58 +0200 > Cc: thorne@timbral.net, ams@gnu.org, Jason Rumney , > emacs-devel@gnu.org > > "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" writes: > > > Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > > > >> Exactly, wouldn't it be just easier to request the user to install > >> whatever POSIX shell that is required in INSTALL or similar? > > > > There is a POSIX shell for w32, but I do not think that interact well > > with normal w32 command line programs. Is there anyone who knows > > something about that? > > MSYS is basically a boxed set of everything you'll likely need for > autoconf (modulo compilers). We recommend using it with AUCTeX. It > turns out that it still makes a formidable chore for most people to > install all that and call autoconf, configure, make and so on. MSYS is not a reliable solution, although with enough tinkering it is possible to tweak it into doing a useful job. It mangles command-line quoting, for starters, and also requires one to have a completely separate set of build tools, just for MSYS's use, in addition to native ports you use outside of the MSYS shell.