From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "no-conversion" coding system Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:11:34 -0400 Message-ID: References: <484F1FAB.6070005@gmail.com> <878ww3slju.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216563158 20186 80.91.229.12 (20 Jul 2008 14:12:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:12:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lekktu@gmail.com, handa@m17n.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 20 16:13:25 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KKZfB-0000S6-B1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:13:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48574 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KKZeI-0006yP-CB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:12:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KKZeC-0006xk-IK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:12:24 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KKZeB-0006x7-3C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:12:24 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=57552 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KKZeA-0006x0-US for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:12:22 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:46966) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KKZeA-0005FR-GX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:12:22 -0400 Original-Received: from eliz by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KKZdO-00032A-10; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:11:34 -0400 In-reply-to: <878ww3slju.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (stephen@xemacs.org) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101014 Archived-At: > From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" > Cc: Stefan Monnier , > lekktu@gmail.com, > emacs-devel@gnu.org, > rms@gnu.org, > handa@m17n.org > Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:34:13 +0900 > > > no-conversion doesn't mean that the text will _look_ the same, it > > means the byte stream will be the same. > > That's true as a definition, and incorrect as a matter of fact in > multibyte buffers. Unless Emacs enforces "no-conversion is unibyte", It does, as a matter of fact. > In any case, only Emacs maintainers should ever need to care about > the representational transformations performed by coding systems I most strongly disagree, but maybe I don't understand what you mean by ``representational transformations''.