From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "no-conversion" coding system Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:04:09 -0400 Message-ID: References: <484F1FAB.6070005@gmail.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216562710 19015 80.91.229.12 (20 Jul 2008 14:05:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:05:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lekktu@gmail.com, handa@m17n.org, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 20 16:05:58 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KKZXw-0006d6-G5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:05:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47897 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KKZX3-0003vP-Ko for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:05:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KKZX0-0003tu-0Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:04:58 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KKZWz-0003tR-Gl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:04:57 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=33962 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KKZWz-0003tB-9X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:04:57 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:41226) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KKZWy-00033N-RP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:04:56 -0400 Original-Received: from eliz by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KKZWD-0002mu-Gx; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:04:09 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Stefan Monnier on Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:39:35 -0400) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101013 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:39:35 -0400 > Cc: lekktu@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, handa@m17n.org > > >> Its other name "binary" is a lot more unequivocal. > > Only if you are a programmer who knows that binary files are usually > > read with no conversions. Otherwise, the name "binary" doesn't have > > Since the `no-conversion' method depends on the underlying byte-encoding > used in a file, it is inherently something for programmers, > bit-twiddlers, ... I didn't mean Lisp programmers, I meant C/C++ programmers. Many people program in Lisp without knowing anything about low-level OS stuff.