From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "no-conversion" coding system Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:19:07 -0400 Message-ID: References: <484F1FAB.6070005@gmail.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216077611 14491 80.91.229.12 (14 Jul 2008 23:20:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:20:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lekktu@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, handa@m17n.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 15 01:20:58 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KIXLd-0002p6-DG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 01:20:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39605 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KIXKl-0004tk-7H for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:19:55 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KIXKf-0004tT-Ho for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:19:49 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KIXKd-0004t9-Ri for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:19:48 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=41969 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KIXKd-0004t6-Lf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:19:47 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:32868) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KIXKd-0003b4-Dm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:19:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eliz by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KIXJz-0000Fk-QU; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:19:07 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Stefan Monnier on Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:12:41 -0400) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:100703 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:12:41 -0400 > Cc: lekktu@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Technically, that may be true. But take a utf-8 text and open it with > "no-conversion" and it won't look like the same text, so for some > interpretation of "conversion", it has been converted. no-conversion doesn't mean that the text will _look_ the same, it means the byte stream will be the same. > Its other name "binary" is a lot more unequivocal. Only if you are a programmer who knows that binary files are usually read with no conversions. Otherwise, the name "binary" doesn't have any useful mnemonic meaning in the context of transforming one text encoding into another.