From: Richard M Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, drobinow@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Emacs vista build failures
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:05:34 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1KILs6-0008WK-Bz@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <85mykmktfe.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (message from David Kastrup on Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:46:45 +0200)
I think you are missing my point. Those people likely to be on our side
are probably not best recruited by pontification and patronization.
Aside from your namecalling, you have missed my point. If we talk
about using Windows as if to take for granted that it's ok, we
influence people by our silence. We can even influence ourselves
that way.
Every so often it is necessary to recall this, so as to prevent that
negative influence.
Mentioning this issue can also be useful to educate people who use
Emacs for practical reasons only, and are not in the habit of thinking
about the issue of their own freedom as software users.
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2008-07-11 0:02 ` Emacs vista build failures Eric Hanchrow
2008-07-11 16:49 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-11 19:05 ` David Robinow
2008-07-11 23:33 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-12 7:57 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-12 16:35 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-12 17:21 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-13 9:35 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-13 9:46 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-14 11:05 ` Richard M Stallman [this message]
2008-07-11 19:17 ` David Robinow
2008-07-11 20:39 ` Miles Bader
2008-07-11 20:45 ` David Robinow
2008-07-11 20:57 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-12 16:35 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-12 19:46 ` Bastien Guerry
2008-07-12 20:17 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-12 10:49 ` Bastien Guerry
2008-07-12 16:35 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-12 20:40 ` David Robinow
2008-07-12 22:47 ` Bastien
2008-07-13 19:10 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-13 20:44 ` Claus
[not found] ` <87tzet8c3i.fsf@offby1.atm01.sea.blarg.net>
2008-07-14 8:43 ` Claus
2008-07-15 3:06 ` Eric Hanchrow
2008-07-14 17:38 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-13 20:46 ` Chong Yidong
2008-07-13 21:46 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-07-13 21:40 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2008-07-13 22:53 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-07-13 22:53 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-13 23:46 ` Miles Bader
2008-07-14 10:27 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2008-07-14 11:58 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-07-14 17:39 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-14 19:33 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-07-15 18:04 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2008-07-15 20:29 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-07-15 21:02 ` Chong Yidong
2008-07-15 23:42 ` Thomas Lord
2008-07-16 1:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-16 1:58 ` Miles Bader
2008-07-16 2:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-16 3:01 ` Miles Bader
2008-07-16 4:44 ` Thomas Lord
2008-07-16 4:43 ` Thomas Lord
2008-07-14 10:45 ` Miles Bader
2008-07-14 12:24 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-07-14 12:20 ` joakim
2008-07-14 12:32 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-15 18:04 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2008-07-13 21:48 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-13 23:26 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-07-13 23:22 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-14 20:42 ` Don Armstrong
2008-07-14 21:05 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-16 14:36 ` Manoj Srivastava
2008-07-16 15:20 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-16 22:04 ` Manoj Srivastava
2008-07-16 21:23 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-07-16 22:17 ` Manoj Srivastava
2008-07-17 8:31 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-07-14 22:30 ` Debian's idiosyncratic complexification of Emacs [Was: Emacs vista build failures] Alan Mackenzie
2008-07-14 23:54 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-07-15 1:05 ` Debian's idiosyncratic complexification of Emacs Miles Bader
2008-07-15 7:11 ` Geoffrey Teale
2008-07-15 8:12 ` Miles Bader
2008-07-15 9:48 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-15 5:58 ` Ralf Angeli
2008-07-15 6:50 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-15 18:09 ` Ralf Angeli
2008-07-15 21:53 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-16 14:22 ` Manoj Srivastava
2008-07-16 15:22 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-16 20:42 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-07-16 22:26 ` Manoj Srivastava
2008-07-17 8:46 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-07-18 9:08 ` Agustin Martin
2008-07-15 1:38 ` Debian's idiosyncratic complexification of Emacs [Was: Emacs vista build failures] Don Armstrong
2008-07-15 2:20 ` Debian's idiosyncratic complexification of Emacs Stefan Monnier
2008-07-15 6:43 ` Don Armstrong
2008-07-15 6:55 ` Debian's idiosyncratic complexification of Emacs [Was: Emacs vista build failures] Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-07-15 10:15 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-07-15 10:08 ` Debian's idiosyncratic complexification of Emacs David Kastrup
2008-07-16 14:09 ` Manoj Srivastava
2008-07-16 16:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-16 19:43 ` Karl Fogel
2008-07-16 19:59 ` Karl Fogel
2008-07-16 21:59 ` Manoj Srivastava
2008-07-21 21:26 ` Karl Fogel
2008-07-22 4:27 ` Miles Bader
2008-07-22 14:21 ` Manoj Srivastava
2008-07-23 5:13 ` Michael Olson
2008-07-23 19:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-24 17:44 ` Manoj Srivastava
2008-07-24 20:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-22 14:22 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-14 1:42 ` Emacs vista build failures Stefan Monnier
2008-07-14 17:38 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-14 17:38 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-14 19:56 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-07-15 8:28 ` Thomas Lord
2008-07-15 7:54 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-15 8:52 ` Thomas Lord
2008-07-15 8:57 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-15 17:14 ` Thomas Lord
2008-07-17 22:54 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-17 23:48 ` Miles Bader
2008-07-19 17:06 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-20 4:08 ` Miles Bader
2008-07-20 17:21 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-20 20:22 ` Johannes Weiner
2008-07-21 3:29 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-21 11:29 ` Johannes Weiner
2008-07-21 13:59 ` Miles Bader
2008-07-21 17:55 ` Johannes Weiner
2008-07-21 18:05 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-21 18:37 ` Johannes Weiner
2008-07-21 18:49 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-21 19:30 ` Johannes Weiner
2008-07-21 19:36 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-21 22:54 ` Evans Winner
2008-07-22 6:47 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-22 8:16 ` Jason Rumney
2008-07-22 8:26 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-22 13:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-22 13:58 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-22 14:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-22 17:22 ` James Cloos
2008-07-22 17:31 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-22 20:11 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2008-07-22 20:19 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-22 22:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-22 22:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-23 6:59 ` Stephen Leake
2008-07-23 8:20 ` Jason Rumney
2008-07-23 12:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-23 8:45 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-23 6:35 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-22 20:06 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2008-07-22 20:24 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-22 20:31 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-22 20:45 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-22 20:59 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-22 21:03 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-22 22:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-21 22:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-21 23:11 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-22 13:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-22 13:24 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-22 13:51 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-22 13:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-22 14:34 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-22 15:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-22 15:21 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-22 17:29 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-21 23:55 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-07-22 3:41 ` Johannes Weiner
2008-07-22 13:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-22 14:04 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-22 14:11 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-22 14:39 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-22 14:47 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-22 14:52 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-22 15:00 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-22 15:13 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-22 15:18 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-22 15:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-22 15:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-22 15:26 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-22 22:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-23 6:32 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-22 18:52 ` Sven Joachim
2008-07-22 19:12 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-22 19:33 ` Sean O'Rourke
2008-07-22 14:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-22 14:57 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-22 14:37 ` Johannes Weiner
2008-07-23 2:26 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-23 3:40 ` Johannes Weiner
2008-07-23 3:45 ` Miles Bader
2008-07-24 2:24 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-24 3:34 ` Johannes Weiner
2008-07-24 2:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-24 3:29 ` Johannes Weiner
2008-07-22 17:29 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-22 17:35 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-22 18:40 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-26 11:06 ` Bastien
2008-07-23 16:56 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-23 17:42 ` Johannes Weiner
2008-07-24 0:06 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-24 5:25 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-24 22:04 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-24 22:26 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-24 23:15 ` Nick Roberts
2008-07-24 23:22 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-26 1:23 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-26 1:23 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-24 23:12 ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-07-26 1:23 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-26 6:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-26 6:45 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-26 7:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-25 3:20 ` Miles Bader
2008-07-26 1:24 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-25 14:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-26 1:24 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-26 6:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-24 8:07 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-07-24 10:20 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-24 22:05 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-25 14:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-25 14:51 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-25 15:08 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
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2008-07-25 15:55 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-25 16:08 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-25 16:19 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-25 15:40 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-07-25 15:56 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-26 20:31 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-26 20:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-25 19:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-26 6:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-26 1:24 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-26 6:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-26 8:03 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-07-26 8:50 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-26 9:22 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-26 9:50 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-26 9:55 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-26 10:15 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-26 10:32 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-26 10:29 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-07-26 11:11 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-26 12:33 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-07-26 14:26 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-26 21:34 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-26 23:52 ` Barry Fishman
2008-07-27 17:14 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-28 0:05 ` Barry Fishman
2008-07-28 21:47 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-29 1:00 ` Barry Fishman
2008-07-29 6:21 ` tomas
2008-07-29 15:21 ` Barry Fishman
2008-07-30 3:46 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-30 3:47 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-30 3:47 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-25 5:35 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-22 17:29 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-21 16:48 ` Thomas Lord
2008-07-22 2:48 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-21 13:55 ` Miles Bader
2008-07-20 20:36 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-21 3:29 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-21 6:14 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-21 9:04 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-22 2:48 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-20 6:35 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-07-20 22:05 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-20 22:05 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-21 0:43 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-07-21 14:37 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-21 14:51 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-22 2:49 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-22 12:46 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-23 2:27 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-22 8:02 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-07-22 16:31 ` Thomas Lord
2008-07-18 0:05 ` Thomas Lord
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2008-07-19 21:34 ` Thomas Lord
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2008-07-23 20:18 ` Thomas Lord
2008-07-24 6:19 ` Gilaras Drakeson
2008-07-25 5:35 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-25 7:08 ` Thomas Lord
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