From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard M Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Faces applies to new frames Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:43:19 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87k5gbx12n.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87iqvty2e7.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <871w2hcek1.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87hcbcsy8e.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <878wwosvf6.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <878wwokw39.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1214837032 6728 80.91.229.12 (30 Jun 2008 14:43:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:43:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, miles@gnu.org To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 30 16:44:37 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KDKcM-0007qd-Kp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:44:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34800 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KDKbW-0003yA-7U for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:43:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KDKbR-0003xV-BH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:43:37 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KDKbO-0003x0-VD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:43:35 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=47803 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KDKbO-0003wx-Mi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:43:34 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:46202) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KDKbO-0000UJ-Io for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:43:34 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KDKb9-0003gD-OF; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:43:19 -0400 In-reply-to: <878wwokw39.fsf@stupidchicken.com> (message from Chong Yidong on Sun, 29 Jun 2008 13:08:26 -0400) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:100227 Archived-At: I don't think we should make this change without at least warning users at least one Emacs version in advance, though. For Emacs 23.1, maybe we could add a note to NEWS and the manuals saying that the various frame attributes that affect the default face will become obsolete in a future version. Maybe set-frame-parameter could also issue a warning. Alternatively, you could ask the users who actually needs these features and for what, and how ready they are to adapt to the proposed change. Based on the answers you could see if there is a need for that transition period.