From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard M Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Automatic bootstrap Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 02:46:58 -0400 Message-ID: References: <48590F58.4020201@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1213948681 18384 80.91.229.12 (20 Jun 2008 07:58:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 07:58:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jason Rumney Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 20 09:58:45 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1K9bVp-0000Wj-S4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:58:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54553 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K9bV1-0002Zj-5c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 03:57:35 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K9bUw-0002Yj-30 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 03:57:30 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K9bUt-0002WP-V9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 03:57:28 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=55069 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K9bUt-0002W3-3K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 03:57:27 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:40723) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K9bUp-00010H-Te for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 03:57:24 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1K9aOg-0007xB-9p; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 02:46:58 -0400 In-reply-to: <48590F58.4020201@gnu.org> (message from Jason Rumney on Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:36:24 +0100) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:99506 Archived-At: > A week or so there was a discussion about the inconvenience of the > existence of `make bootstrap'. I suggested that we create a source > file bootstrap.el whose compiled file, bootstrap.elc, would control > whether `make emacs' does a bootstrap or not. We could also change > bootstrap.el trivially after installing any change which we think > makes it advisable for testers to bootstrap afresh. > I don't think it will work, as developers who make changes that make it advisable to bootstrap would forget to change that file. Indeed, that might happen. But is that a reason to reject the idea? I don't think so. Even if things are not perfect, they will be better. Other developers might change it needlessly, causing testers with low end hardware unnecessary pain. I don't think that is likely to happen very often. People have no reason to do this.