From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard M Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "Pager" page-up and -down, why not merge? Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 07:13:26 -0400 Message-ID: References: <5896C8E2-D065-4B8E-927F-8784062241EF@interstitiality.net> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1212578142 11933 80.91.229.12 (4 Jun 2008 11:15:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:15:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Adrian Robert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 04 13:16:22 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1K3qyU-0006bC-PY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:16:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51502 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K3qxi-0003ay-9X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2008 07:15:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K3qxd-0003Ya-Ac for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2008 07:15:21 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K3qxc-0003YH-2Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2008 07:15:20 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=59722 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K3qxb-0003YE-VD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2008 07:15:20 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:44855) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K3qxc-0003yl-19 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2008 07:15:20 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1K3qvm-0005ya-Ji; Wed, 04 Jun 2008 07:13:26 -0400 In-reply-to: <5896C8E2-D065-4B8E-927F-8784062241EF@interstitiality.net> (message from Adrian Robert on Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:57:38 -0400) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:98376 Archived-At: seem to be an improvement over the existing definitions of scroll-down and scroll-up in emacs. In particular, hitting sequences like [next] or Ctrl-v followed by [previous] or M-v leaves point in the same place, which is very calming. That in itself is a good thing, but ISTR that the simple implementations of this had bad effects in other cases. To do the job right requires something much more complex which people usually don't bother trying to do.