From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What IDE features do we need? [Was: Please stop proposing changes in defaults!] Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:08:41 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87ve2ac2eo.fsf@jurta.org> <20080422115216.GA2609@muc.de> <480DDA01.3030602@gmail.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1208895097 21122 80.91.229.12 (22 Apr 2008 20:11:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:11:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: juri@jurta.org, acm@muc.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dan Kruchinin Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 22 22:12:12 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JoOqI-0007dW-QI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:11:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JoOpd-0007Zg-7b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:11:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JoOnE-0005PR-RP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:08:44 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JoOnD-0005O3-AA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:08:44 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JoOnD-0005Nj-4V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:08:43 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JoOnC-0005y1-Fs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:08:42 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JoOnB-0001ZK-Lp; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:08:41 -0400 In-reply-to: <480DDA01.3030602@gmail.com> (message from Dan Kruchinin on Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:28:49 +0400) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:95800 Archived-At: There are many good emacs modules that work well, but all these modules have one common problem: emacs doesn't provides them any basic atoms from which module's developers may build friendly and convenient user interface or just make good data representation. Emacs doesn't have any structured graphical primitives which it would may provide. It could be a good thing to do. Can someone design what it would look like?