From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Transient Mark Mode on by default Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:50:42 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87myopnj0l.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20080324115510.GA1563@muc.de> <87zlsouef7.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1206409974 5811 80.91.229.12 (25 Mar 2008 01:52:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 01:52:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: wilde@sha-bang.de, acm@muc.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 25 02:53:24 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JdyLn-0000Uj-8i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 02:53:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JdyLC-0005B8-9U for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:52:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JdyJM-0004Rf-SJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:50:48 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JdyJI-0004PP-6E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:50:48 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JdyJH-0004PK-TO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:50:43 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JdyJH-0003sI-Gh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:50:43 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JdyJG-00061X-5m; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:50:42 -0400 In-reply-to: <87zlsouef7.fsf@stupidchicken.com> (message from Chong Yidong on Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:09:48 -0400) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:93376 Archived-At: Similarly, Transient Mark mode works very well (due to years of Emacs hackers turning it on in their own init files), and provides a real benefit to new users (direct visual feedback). It is a total pain in the neck unless mark-even-if-inactive is t. If you are considering a drasticly incompatble change, discussing it on this list is not enough. You should poll the users first. Polling the users means making an announcement on info-gnu-emacs and help-gnu-emacs, asking people to try the feature and say what they think.