From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: position on changing defaults? Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 13:16:32 -0400 Message-ID: References: <200803050637.m256bXL3008361@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <87hcfkdhqk.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87pru8enjx.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> <8763vy95a6.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> <87wsoc39i8.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <877igb7dsi.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> <87hcff5upc.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1205169707 20975 80.91.229.12 (10 Mar 2008 17:21:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:21:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, miles@gnu.org To: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 10 18:22:11 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JYlgu-0005N9-Bv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:21:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JYlgL-0001MJ-W4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 13:21:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JYlc6-0006ed-AA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 13:16:38 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JYlc1-0006d1-Lz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 13:16:37 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JYlc1-0006cw-IC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 13:16:33 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JYlc1-0002EY-CL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 13:16:33 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JYlc0-0007F9-Vt; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 13:16:33 -0400 In-reply-to: <87hcff5upc.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> (storm@cua.dk) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:92069 Archived-At: > I haven't thought hard enough yet about what his suggestion does, so > could you expand on its downsides? 1) It binds special commands to the shifted keys, which doesn't work for minor modes which put different commands on the non-shifted keys. Can you show a scenario so we can judge whether this has significant implications? 2) C-h k S-down doesn't show the doc string of the original command. We could change C-h k to DTRT. 3) It only works with transient-mark-mode off, so explicit region start C-SPC has no highlighting. Can that be fixed? 5) This approach is already used by s-mark and pc-selection-mode... (Which approach is "this" approach?) That does not seem like a strong argument, because neither s-mark nor pc-selection-mode is normally enabled.