From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: position on changing defaults? Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:40:24 -0400 Message-ID: References: <200803050637.m256bXL3008361@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <87hcfkdhqk.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87pru8enjx.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> <871w6l3u8f.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1205081198 27833 80.91.229.12 (9 Mar 2008 16:46:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 16:46:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 09 17:47:06 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JYOfw-0003Jg-1C for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:47:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JYOfN-0005Qj-M1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:46:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JYOZV-0002hF-Tw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:40:25 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JYOZV-0002gv-E8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:40:25 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JYOZV-0002gq-B7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:40:25 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JYOZV-0003j0-7e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:40:25 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JYOZU-0006vt-NM; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:40:24 -0400 In-reply-to: <871w6l3u8f.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> (storm@cua.dk) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:91891 Archived-At: > That is a separate feature, and a major change in Emacs's region > mechanism. It may be good, but it calls for careful discussion and > thought. We should not adopt such a change because it came along > with some other feature. Unless you explicitly hit C-RET, you'll never notice it's there. We are miscommunicating. I am saying it is a major change in Emacs's region mechanism. You're saying the change is not incompatible. Ok, but it is still a major change. It would require major changes in the Emacs manual. These different features are separate and unrelated questions, and we should not let them be tied together by a historical accident the available code. The right way to consider various features is one by one, as independent issues. I think we should postpone discussion of rectangle selection until the matter of shift motion is entirely finished with in one way or another.