From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 04:16:33 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87myq4saw1.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <878x1ov227.fsf@jurta.org> <878x1os6mt.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <47B39231.8010108@gmail.com> <200802151711.m1FHB3Y3008798@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200802171658.m1HGwQ4h011067@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <20080219085231.GA1032@muc.de> <200802190938.m1J9ccVg016565@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <20080219190127.GA1106@muc.de> <877ih0o9dx.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <86lk5f4fjb.fsf@timbral.net> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1203585431 5506 80.91.229.12 (21 Feb 2008 09:17:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:17:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Evans Winner Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 21 10:17:35 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JS7Yd-0008NN-9q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:17:35 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JS7Y8-0001xK-3j for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 04:17:04 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JS7Xf-0001fn-4z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 04:16:35 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JS7Xe-0001fN-LW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 04:16:34 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JS7Xe-0001fH-E6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 04:16:34 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JS7Xe-0000EG-96 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 04:16:34 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JS7Xd-0002at-Ij; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 04:16:33 -0500 In-reply-to: <86lk5f4fjb.fsf@timbral.net> (message from Evans Winner on Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:02:48 -0700) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:89792 Archived-At: I won't bother advocating that menus and tool bars and scroll bars be deactivated by default, but I would at least suggest that the right principle is that if a feature would make it actively more difficult to use Emacs in the way that it is fundamentally designed to be used, then that feature ought not to be active by default. That is an interesting argument. But does region highlighting make it header to learn to use Emacs as Emacs should be used? I don't see that it does. Can someone argue that it does?