From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: toggling a minor mode should not tell Customize that the value hasbeen set Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 12:15:30 -0500 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199726281 17849 80.91.229.12 (7 Jan 2008 17:18:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:18:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 07 18:18:22 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JBvcE-0001GK-0N for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 18:18:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JBvbq-0000F1-SU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 12:17:58 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JBvZc-0006oZ-Ou for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 12:15:40 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JBvZb-0006nf-T9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 12:15:40 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JBvZb-0006nF-DU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 12:15:39 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JBvZb-0001jV-Cg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 12:15:39 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JBvZS-0004GL-Kb; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 12:15:30 -0500 In-reply-to: X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:86500 Archived-At: Yes, that's what I assumed. I think that's a mistake. It has the result that users see such changes show up with `customize-customized', even for simple toggles. I just don't think that is a problem. `Buffer-menu-sort-column' is a defvar, but it could be a defcustom. (In fact, in my code it is, and I think it should be generally, so that users can specify their preferred sort column without using setq or defvar.) Change it to a defcustom, hypothetically. Now, what's the Customize behavior if a user clicks a column header or two a few times to change sort orders dynamically? I think that is not really analogous. `Buffer-menu-sort-column' is a local variable and you are changing it only for one buffer. That is why that outcome feels wrong. Please let's drop the subject. We have other issues to spend time on.