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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: Dan Nicolaescu <dann@ics.uci.edu>
Cc: esr@thyrsus.com, esr@snark.thyrsus.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org,
	monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, harsanyi@mac.com
Subject: Re: Introducing 'unrecognized and 'ignored
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 00:54:12 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1JB1z2-00062N-94@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200801031805.m03I5SBf022748@oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu> (message from Dan Nicolaescu on Thu, 03 Jan 2008 10:05:25 -0800)

    The disadvantages or using dired: 

Several of these are not persuasive (at least based on what
you've said so far).

     - performance  -- the difference is HUGE

What is the connection between using dired and this slowdown?

     - clutter - dired has 4 top level menus that are mostly useless in the
		VC context

That is not a real problem.
It is easy for a variant of Dired to override them.

     - availability of simple key bindings: dired takes most single key
     bindings, forcing vc-dired to use the "v" prefix

That is not a real problem.  vc-dired could rebind some Dired keys,
and still preserve most of the advantage of commonality with Dired.

     - future extensibility - VC systems are evolving at a fast pace
       nowadays, being able to easily make changes to accommodate new
       features is very important. 

I see no point paying the price today for a benefit that may only
possibly develop.  I'd rather pay that price if and when there is a
real benefit to be gained.  It won't be more work then than it is
today.

On the other hand, this could be a significant reason:

     - display flexibility  -- it is much easier to do custom displays as
       needed by VC using ewocs than to retrofit it into dired.  Just look
       at the PCL-CVS display and compare it with vc-dired.

If custom displays are needed, that probably requires splitting off.

Are custom displays needed?  What would you want to use them for?

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-01-05  5:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-12-28 17:45 Introducing 'unrecognized and 'ignored Eric S. Raymond
2007-12-28 23:01 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-12-29  2:48 ` Alexandru Harsanyi
2007-12-29 11:45   ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-02  2:02     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-02  2:19       ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-02  4:16         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-02  4:45           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-01-02 11:50             ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-02 17:31               ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-01-03  9:50             ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-03 18:05               ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-01-03 18:19                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-05  5:54                 ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2008-01-05  9:01                   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-01-05 14:34                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-05 22:25                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-06 10:37                       ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-01-06 15:57                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-18 23:31                           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-01-06 20:00                         ` Tom Tromey
2008-01-06 21:03                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-07  2:59                             ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-01-07  3:26                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-07  3:36                                 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-01-07  3:59                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-07 12:56                                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-07 15:31                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-07 11:30                                 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-07 12:54                                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-07 15:32                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-08 19:06                                     ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-08 19:34                                       ` Miles Bader
2008-01-07  3:22                           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-01-07  3:03                             ` Tom Tromey
2008-01-07  4:01                               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-07 21:15                                 ` PCL-CVS buffers (was: Introducing 'unrecognized and 'ignored) Reiner Steib
2008-01-08  2:33                                   ` PCL-CVS buffers Stefan Monnier
2008-01-18 23:46                           ` Introducing 'unrecognized and 'ignored Dan Nicolaescu
2008-01-19  0:10                             ` Tom Tromey
2008-01-19  1:20                               ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-01-19  6:00                             ` Tom Tromey
2008-01-19 17:05                               ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-01-19 19:40                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-19 21:01                                   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-01-20 17:18                                     ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-01-20 20:24                                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-01-20 17:08                                   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-01-20 19:08                                   ` Tom Tromey
2008-01-20 20:14                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-20 19:45                                       ` Tom Tromey
2008-01-22  1:35                                         ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-01-19 20:03                                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-01-20 19:24                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-20 20:30                                     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-01-21 15:18                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-21 15:30                                         ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-01-21 15:56                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-21 15:34                                         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-01-06  8:09                     ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-02 11:46           ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-02 20:38             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-02 22:11               ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-02 23:06                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-02 23:29                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-03 14:30                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-03 17:41                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-05  5:54                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-02 23:13                 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-01-02 23:33                   ` Eric S. Raymond

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