From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What a modern collaboration toolkit looks like Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 04:50:17 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20071230122217.3CA84830B9A@snark.thyrsus.com> <20071231130712.GB8641@thyrsus.com> <20080101171120.GC3830@muc.de> <20080101193731.GA10056@thyrsus.com> <7e9mn3dc87sehrc2b880i2h6fp5h1724f9@4ax.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199354247 1352 80.91.229.12 (3 Jan 2008 09:57:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 09:57:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: esr@thyrsus.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "John S. Yates, Jr." Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 03 10:57:47 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JAMpe-0001A9-U7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 10:57:47 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JAMpI-0001Zk-Q3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 04:57:24 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JAMiS-0005XT-Hc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 04:50:20 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JAMiQ-0005WL-Mv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 04:50:19 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JAMiQ-0005W9-9M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 04:50:18 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JAMiQ-0000n0-0b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 04:50:18 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JAMiP-0008Ev-AA; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 04:50:17 -0500 In-reply-to: <7e9mn3dc87sehrc2b880i2h6fp5h1724f9@4ax.com> (john@yates-sheets.org) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:85975 Archived-At: Speaking from experience on multiple projects, a pernicious CVS effect is to install a reluctance to rename. This is tantamount to banning any large scale refactoring. And that is ultimately extremely damaging to a long-lived code base under truly active development. I agree that this is a drawback of CVS, but in Emacs we have not let it stop us from moving files around. We've done substantial amounts of that recently.