From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What a modern collaboration toolkit looks like Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 04:53:52 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20071230122217.3CA84830B9A@snark.thyrsus.com> <20071231131129.GA2737@muc.de> <20071231152509.GC8641@thyrsus.com> <20080101203433.GG3830@muc.de> <20080101205757.GB11934@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199267981 5496 80.91.229.12 (2 Jan 2008 09:59:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 09:59:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: esr@thyrsus.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 02 11:00:01 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JA0OH-0006Rr-B7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 11:00:01 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JA0Nv-0003Ud-Cc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 04:59:39 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JA0IO-0008Fx-Fm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 04:53:56 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JA0IM-0008Dw-6X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 04:53:55 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JA0IL-0008DS-HP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 04:53:53 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JA0IL-0001Ze-29 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 04:53:53 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JA0IK-0002cK-N4; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 04:53:52 -0500 In-reply-to: <20080101205757.GB11934@thyrsus.com> (esr@thyrsus.com) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:85874 Archived-At: You do gradually gain status by being available when you're needed. And you do lose influence when you're not around for a while. But there's no cliquishness about it -- all you have to do to have a place in the discussion is show up, really. I'd prefer a culture in which status comes from being willing and able to do the hard jobs. It sounds like that is a reason to mainly stick to email.