From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: un-deprecating CL Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:21:15 -0400 Message-ID: References: <864phxjj03.fsf@macs.hw.ac.uk> <87hclx834d.fsf@red-bean.com> <86ps0jiwfm.fsf@macs.hw.ac.uk> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1189988750 17517 80.91.229.12 (17 Sep 2007 00:25:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 00:25:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: kfogel@red-bean.com, eliz@gnu.org, dto@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Joe Wells Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 17 02:25:48 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IX4Qp-0006wA-VQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 02:25:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IX4Qo-0002S2-P6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:25:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IX4N2-00071I-R8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:21:48 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IX4N1-0006zy-N8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:21:48 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IX4N1-0006zE-4L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:21:47 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IX4N0-0002Ww-Q6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:21:46 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IX4MV-0006uz-Ep; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:21:15 -0400 In-reply-to: <86ps0jiwfm.fsf@macs.hw.ac.uk> (message from Joe Wells on Sat, 15 Sep 2007 20:02:37 +0100) X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:79063 Archived-At: incf callf callf2 setf function* destructuring-bind case typecase loop union intersection set-difference subst sort* delete* That is a long list. destructuring-bind is ok to add, because it is simple and modular. Likewise `case' and `typecase'. I don't want to add CL argument lists, so no `function*' or `defun*'. I don't want to add `union' or `intersection' or `set-difference' or `subst' or `sort*' or `delete*', because they use CL keyword arguments. Adding `setf' really means adding `defstruct'. That might be a good feature to add, but it is too complex because of all the structure options. If we get rid of most of them, `defstruct' could be simple enough to add. `incf' and `callf' are creeping featurism, and not worth adding. `setf' is enough. But I would not mind extending `push' and `pop' work with structs in the CL fashion. pushnew adjoin caaar caaddr caadr cadaddr cadar caddar cadddr caddr cdaar defun* flet every substitute find subsetp `pushnew' is ok. `caaar' and so on are superfluous, I think. Definitely not `flet'; I think its use is bad practice. `every', `substitute', `find' and `subsetp' have the ugly CL keyword arguments, so I don't want to add them.