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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: kfogel@red-bean.com, jbw@macs.hw.ac.uk, dto@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: un-deprecating CL
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 14:06:47 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1IWc2Z-0007VE-73@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <uodg4jr3j.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:00:16 +0300)

We often add functions to the standard Emacs name space.  Often we add
individual CL facilities to it.  If the function has a simple name,
which doesn't start with the name of its Lisp program, that function
should be documented in the Emacs Lisp Reference Manual.

I don't like the idea of documenting all the CL facilities there.  I
don't want to declare them standard without documenting them, either.

An additional reason why I don't want to make them standard parts of
Emacs Lisp is that the CL style of calling conventions does not really
fit with the spirit of Emacs Lisp.

Thus, CL is available for users to use, but not a standard part
of the name space.

One possible alternative is to define these functions with a cl-
prefix, and for callers to use that prefix.  That gets rid of the
namespace issue.  And if we think of them as internal parts of
some Lisp package, they would not have to be in the Lisp Manual.

The only remaining drawback would be that code which uses them may be
somewhat harder to understand, for many users, because they will
use constructs not in the Lisp Manual.

That drawback exists now for the CL macros in programs that load CL at
compile time.  Perhaps the right thing is to move several commonly
used CL constructs into the standard namespace and document them
in the manual.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-09-15 18:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-09-14 16:42 un-deprecating CL Joe Wells
2007-09-14 17:32 ` David O'Toole
2007-09-15  2:08   ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-14 19:21 ` Karl Fogel
2007-09-15  8:00   ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-15 18:06     ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2007-09-15 18:14       ` Leo
2007-09-15 21:56         ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-15 19:02       ` Joe Wells
2007-09-15 19:14         ` martin rudalics
2007-09-17  0:21           ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-17  5:58             ` martin rudalics
2007-09-15 19:41         ` T. V. Raman
2007-09-17  0:21           ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-18 14:59             ` Johan Bockgård
2007-09-19  3:18               ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-19  3:43                 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-20 16:34                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-20 18:37                     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-20 19:15                       ` Johan Bockgård
2007-09-21 22:32                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-19  3:18               ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-15 19:52         ` T. V. Raman
2007-09-17  0:21           ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-17  0:21         ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-17  2:25           ` Joe Wells
2007-09-17 15:53             ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-17 17:05               ` David O'Toole
2007-09-18  3:29                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-18  7:33                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-09-18 19:34                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-18 23:48                       ` David O'Toole
2007-09-19 15:49                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-19 21:17                           ` David O'Toole
2007-09-17  4:35           ` David O'Toole
2007-09-17 22:25             ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-17 22:25             ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-18 14:43             ` Johan Bockgård
2007-09-16 21:56       ` David O'Toole
2007-09-17  3:58         ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-16 21:46     ` David O'Toole
2007-09-16 22:22       ` Eli Zaretskii

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