From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Scratch buffer annoyance Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 02:32:03 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87tzqv1sui.fsf@jurta.org> <87ir7bnm97.fsf@jurta.org> <87absl7sdo.fsf@jurta.org> <87tzqrt8ts.fsf@jurta.org> <87wsvjadfq.fsf@jurta.org> <87d4x9ewfz.fsf@jurta.org> <87fy1wn4ue.fsf@jurta.org> <87lkbn8jc8.fsf@jurta.org> <874piaujgz.fsf@jurta.org> <87veanu8t6.fsf@jurta.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1189147032 10274 80.91.229.12 (7 Sep 2007 06:37:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 06:37:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 07 08:37:13 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1ITXSm-0003h3-Dy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 08:37:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITXSk-000493-Ig for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 02:37:06 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ITXOE-0008HE-BU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 02:32:26 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ITXOB-0008CU-48 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 02:32:24 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITXOA-0008C6-SE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 02:32:22 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1ITXOA-0007GW-Ge for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 02:32:22 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1ITXNr-0003P6-NB; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 02:32:03 -0400 In-reply-to: <87veanu8t6.fsf@jurta.org> (message from Juri Linkov on Thu, 06 Sep 2007 17:54:37 +0300) X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:78085 Archived-At: Text-only startup screens are welcoming, but fancy startup screen is not: i.e. text-only screen says "Welcome to GNU Emacs, one component ...", but fancy startup screen simply says: "GNU Emacs is one component ..." The fancy screen could say the same. I don't mind that change in wording. * normal-mouse-startup-screen: The text-only no-mouse startup screen have a link to the *scratch* buffer, but text-only mouse startup screen doesn't. Is it needed? There is no room for more lines in the mouse startup screen. I had to delete that one to make the screen short enough. In two places of this screen, there are two adjacent empty lines ("\n\n\n"). This wastes space and makes the screen taller than 24 lines. Should two empty lines be changed to one? Please do that. I think the About screen should not duplicate items available in the Help menu, because usually users invoke the About screen from the main menu, where they can see other items. For instance, "GNU and Freedom" is available under the menu "Help / About GNU". "Emacs Tutorial" is available under "Help / Emacs Tutorial". These things are important _for us_, so I want them there. How can I tell Emacs that my console has no mouse? It does not have one.