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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs localization (Re: Why emacs have not native language menu)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:21:09 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1IDMCD-0007Sr-Pl@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <36CC139D-16DC-4D8E-B69A-D16BD3CE385E@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> (message from Jean-Christophe Helary on Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:50:25 +0900)

> From: Jean-Christophe Helary <fusion@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>
> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:50:25 +0900
> 
> I am already a member of the translation effort to French (along with  
> other localization projects) but I find translating the manual of a  
> non localized application a waste of time in general

I really fail to see why.  Most of the manual is text explaining
things, not names of functions or menu items.  having the text in the
language one understands would be a great help for people whose
command of the English language is poor.

Here's a typical example:

       You can exit Rmail with `q' (`rmail-quit'); this expunges and saves
    the Rmail file, then buries the Rmail buffer as well as its summary
    buffer, if present (*note Rmail Summary::).  But there is no need to
    "exit" formally.  If you switch from Rmail to editing in other buffers,
    and never switch back, you have exited.  Just make sure to save the
    Rmail file eventually (like any other file you have changed).  `C-x s'
    is a suitable way to do this (*note Save Commands::).  The Rmail
    command `b', `rmail-bury', buries the Rmail buffer and its summary
    buffer without expunging and saving the Rmail file.

There are 2 command names here that should not be translated, but
other than that, I can easily imagine someone whose English is not so
good scratching her head (``expunge''? ``bury''? ``eventually''?)
trying to figure out what the heck does this paragraph tell.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-07-24 15:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 123+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-23 12:03 Why emacs have not native language menu lu
2007-07-23 19:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-23 22:42   ` lu
2007-07-24  0:17   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24  0:36     ` Nick Roberts
2007-07-24  1:00       ` Emacs localization (Re: Why emacs have not native language menu) Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24  8:04         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
     [not found]       ` <mailman.3832.1185238836.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24  7:48         ` Jason Rumney
2007-07-24 11:19           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24 15:23             ` Peter Dyballa
     [not found]           ` <mailman.3854.1185275992.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24 11:35             ` Harald Hanche-Olsen
2007-07-24 12:10               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24 14:30                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-24 14:50                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24 15:11                     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-07-24 15:21                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.3880.1185290519.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24 16:30                         ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-24 16:58                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-24 18:51                         ` Peter Dyballa
2007-07-24 15:21                     ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2007-07-25 20:00                   ` Translation of Emacs Info manuals (was: Emacs localization ...) Reiner Steib
2007-07-26  3:11                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-26  4:42                     ` Translation of Emacs Info manuals Katsumi Yamaoka
2007-07-26 12:28                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-24 11:45             ` Emacs localization (Re: Why emacs have not native language menu) Jason Rumney
2007-07-24 10:05     ` Why emacs have not native language menu Peter Dyballa
2007-07-24 11:05       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24 11:12         ` Peter Dyballa
2007-07-24 11:21           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
     [not found]         ` <86FA8DD5-B87E-4E64-90C8-04AA81B9469\x04A@Web.DE>
     [not found]           ` <mailman.3855.1185276075.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24 12:54             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-07-24 14:00               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24 14:40                 ` William Case
2007-07-24 15:08                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24 15:07                 ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                 ` <mailman.3874.1185289573.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-25  5:53                   ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]               ` <mailman.3866.1185285646.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24 14:26                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-07-24 14:57                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.3873.1185289068.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24 16:02                     ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-25  5:16                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-25  6:44                         ` Alexey Pustyntsev
2007-07-25  6:55                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-25 10:38                             ` Alexey Pustyntsev
2007-07-25 16:47                             ` William Case
     [not found]                             ` <mailman.3973.1185382240.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-27 20:28                               ` David Kastrup
2007-07-25  9:36                           ` Dmitri Minaev
2007-07-25 11:15                             ` Alexey Pustyntsev
2007-07-25 12:01                               ` Dmitri Minaev
2007-07-25 13:06                                 ` Alexey Pustyntsev
2007-07-25 13:17                                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-07-26  4:16                                   ` Dmitri Minaev
2007-07-25 12:28                               ` Peter Dyballa
2007-07-25 12:59                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.3943.1185346523.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-25 10:51                             ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-25 12:05                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
     [not found]                               ` <mailman.3957.1185365137.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-25 12:31                                 ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-24 14:56                 ` Pascal Bourguignon
     [not found]       ` <mailman.3850.1185275133.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24 12:30         ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-24 15:25           ` Peter Dyballa
2007-07-24 15:52             ` William Case
2007-07-24 16:29               ` Why emacs have not native language menu -- TYPO William Case
2007-07-24 18:40               ` Why emacs have not native language menu Peter Dyballa
     [not found]   ` <mailman.3826.1185230563.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24  3:45     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-07-24 11:29       ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-24 12:18         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24 15:24           ` Peter Dyballa
2007-07-24 15:39             ` Jean-Christophe Helary
     [not found]         ` <mailman.3860.1185279523.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24 12:48           ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-24 13:10             ` Hadron
2007-07-24 14:02               ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-24 14:19                 ` Hadron
2007-07-25 21:56                   ` Giorgos Keramidas
2007-07-26 13:36                     ` Hadron
2007-07-26 15:02                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-26 19:12                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-27  0:23                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-27 10:47                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-27 11:52                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-27 12:06                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-27 13:32                                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-27 18:42                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-27 18:45                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.4046.1185495843.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-27 12:00                             ` Hadron
2007-07-27 15:00                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.4017.1185462177.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-27 20:31                         ` David Kastrup
2007-07-27 21:01                           ` ryofurue
2007-07-26 14:56                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-26 15:03                     ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-26 16:02                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.4022.1185465812.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-26 16:56                         ` Pascal Bourguignon
     [not found]                     ` <mailman.4016.1185461692.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-26 17:57                       ` Giorgos Keramidas
2007-07-27 18:51                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-27 20:35                       ` David Kastrup
2007-07-28  7:30                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-24 14:58               ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-24 15:12                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24 16:27                   ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]               ` <mailman.3872.1185289026.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24 15:57                 ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-24 21:46             ` David Kastrup
2007-07-25 10:42               ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-24 13:07         ` Hadron
2007-07-24 14:09           ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-25  0:48       ` Ilya Zakharevich
2007-07-25  5:42         ` Stefan Monnier
2007-07-25  8:11         ` Peter Dyballa
     [not found]         ` <mailman.3947.1185351202.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-25 10:19           ` Ilya Zakharevich
     [not found]           ` <200707251019.l6PAJ3Zu021410@powdermilk.math.berkeley.edu>
2007-07-25 12:22             ` Peter Dyballa
     [not found]             ` <mailman.3958.1185366162.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-25 20:25               ` Ilya Zakharevich
2007-07-25 20:34                 ` Pascal Bourguignon
     [not found] ` <mailman.3810.1185219229.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24  7:41   ` Tassilo Horn
2007-07-24 11:12     ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24 11:53       ` David Hansen
2007-07-24 12:23         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24 15:21       ` Peter Dyballa
2007-07-24 15:27         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
     [not found]     ` <mailman.3853.1185275573.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24 12:32       ` Tassilo Horn
2007-07-25 19:45         ` Reiner Steib
2007-07-26  8:12           ` Tassilo Horn
2007-07-25 19:31     ` Reiner Steib
2007-07-26  8:00       ` Tassilo Horn
2007-07-26  8:16         ` Tassilo Horn
2007-07-26 19:35           ` Reiner Steib
2007-07-26 11:33         ` Hadron
2007-07-26 14:20           ` David Hansen

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