From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Why emacs have not native language menu Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:58:41 -0400 Message-ID: References: <46A49912.9030203@luxdo.jp> <877ioqdoq9.fsf@voyager.informatimago.com> <87hcnuc6hz.fsf@voyager.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1185289044 17296 80.91.229.12 (24 Jul 2007 14:57:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:57:24 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 24 16:57:23 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IDLpB-0005G8-UJ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:57:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDLpB-00026E-In for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:57:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IDLov-00025Z-RA for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:57:05 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IDLov-00025J-Fe for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:57:05 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDLov-000259-82 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:57:05 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IDLou-0000r8-A0 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:57:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eliz by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IDLqT-0006jo-AG for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:58:41 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Hadron on Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:10:41 +0200) X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:45964 Archived-At: > From: Hadron > Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help > Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:10:41 +0200 > > > Nowadays, with the Internet and the worldwide job market, it's just > > impossible to translate a programming language. And this is what > > emacs is. > > No. That is NOT what emacs is. eLisp is the programming language. Emacs > is an infrastructure which supports multiple applications programmed in > elisp. They can be localised. Don't forget that Lisp is a language without fundamental distinction between program code and data. In Lisp, I can construct a string in memory, and then execute it as a function. This happens a lot on the Lisp level, but spills into the low-level C code as well. Consider the following C snippet, for example: call1 (intern ("ask-user-about-supersession-threat"), fn); Without knowing quite a few bits about Emacs internals, one cannot decide whether the string here needs or needs not be translated. So a clean separation between translatable strings and untranslatable code symbols is much harder than in C or Pascal, for example.