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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: raman@users.sf.net, lennart.borgman@gmail.com,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org, eric@siege-engine.com, jasonr@gnu.org,
	sdl.web@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Multiple major modes
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 00:38:58 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1I6fas-0006TI-5B@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvejjmoqqi.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (message from Stefan Monnier on Thu, 05 Jul 2007 10:49:16 -0400)

    I don't find advising difficult for debugging.

I am surprised.  Why not?

    Actually, the problem with defadvice (for me) is not when the advice is
    enabled, but when it's not because then there's no trace anywhere that the
    function you're looking at has a special relationship to some other piece of
    code elsewhere.

They are two different problems.  Enabled advice can cause confusion
in debugging, because the function may not do what its source code
says; that can cause confusion in debugging.  Separately, changing the
function can break code in advice of that function.

Both of them can be real.  I'm surprised that you think that only the
latter one is important.

When you change a function, often you would search for its callers
to make sure you don't break them.  That search would find advice
for the function, as well as callers.  Thus, I tend to think that
the second problem won't be so bad.

However, when debugging you are likely to need to look
at lots of functions, and it would be a pain to have to search
for advice for each of these functions.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-07-06  4:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-06-11 23:27 Should nXML be included Leo
2007-06-12 10:50 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-12 11:21   ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-12 12:57     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-12 13:42       ` Peter Heslin
2007-06-12 14:20       ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-12 15:06         ` Multiple major modes (was: Should nXML be included) Stefan Monnier
2007-06-12 15:15           ` Multiple major modes Leo
2007-06-12 18:48           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-12 20:14             ` Re[2]: " Eric M. Ludlam
2007-06-12 21:04               ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-12 23:10                 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-13 16:22                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-13 16:22               ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-19  2:09                 ` Re[2]: " Eric M. Ludlam
2007-06-24 14:41                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-25 14:04                     ` Re[2]: " Eric M. Ludlam
2007-07-01 20:40                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-05  2:29                         ` Re[2]: " Eric M. Ludlam
2007-07-05 20:34                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-01 20:40                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-04 16:35                         ` T. V. Raman
2007-07-04 17:01                           ` David Kastrup
2007-07-05  1:31                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-05 14:49                             ` Stefan Monnier
2007-07-06  4:38                               ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2007-07-06  6:01                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-07-07 13:07                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-07 14:13                                     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-07-08 16:56                                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-04  9:03                                         ` Highlight advice (was: Multiple major modes) Johan Bockgård
2007-07-07 17:43                                     ` Multiple major modes Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-07-06 16:00                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-07-06 16:10                                   ` Drew Adams
2007-07-07 13:06                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-07 17:21                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-07-08 16:55                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-09  5:29                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-07-09 17:21                                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-07  0:48                             ` Johan Bockgård
2007-07-05  1:44                         ` Re[2]: " Eric M. Ludlam
2007-07-08 22:23                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-09  0:49                             ` Re[2]: " Eric M. Ludlam
2007-07-09 17:21                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-12 13:26   ` Should nXML be included Stefan Monnier
2007-06-12 13:16 ` Peter Heslin
2007-06-12 13:11   ` Leo
2007-06-12 13:59     ` joakim
2007-06-12 14:17       ` Peter Heslin
2007-06-12 14:14         ` David Kastrup
2007-06-12 15:11           ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-13  8:06           ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-13 17:45             ` Claus
2007-06-14 16:19               ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-14 16:28                 ` Leo
2007-06-15 19:21                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-14 17:44                 ` Eric Hanchrow
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-06-10 21:26 Multiple Major Modes Nordlöw
2008-06-10 21:47 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-06-11  5:42 ` William Xu
2009-10-29  9:45 Nordlöw
2009-10-29 13:40 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-10-29 20:04 ` Joost Kremers
2009-10-29 22:14   ` Lennart Borgman
     [not found]   ` <mailman.9707.1256854525.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-10-29 23:03     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-10-29 23:49       ` Lennart Borgman
     [not found]       ` <mailman.9710.1256860199.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-10-30  0:52         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-10-30  3:28     ` Joseph Brenner
2009-11-01 23:14       ` Lennart Borgman
     [not found]       ` <mailman.9873.1257117309.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-12-11  6:19         ` Joseph Brenner
2009-12-11 17:08           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-12-11 21:57             ` Joe Brenner
2009-12-11 22:06               ` Lennart Borgman
2009-12-12  2:16                 ` Joe Brenner
2009-12-12  2:18                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-12-12  2:37                     ` Joe Brenner
2009-11-01 21:24 ` Dave Love
2009-11-02 12:32   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-02 14:01   ` Richard Riley
2009-11-02 14:22     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-02 14:28       ` Richard Riley
2009-11-02 14:44         ` Richard Riley
2009-11-02 15:11     ` Richard Riley

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