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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: propose adding Icicles to Emacs
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 23:43:31 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1I5vm7-0001eK-HP@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BNELLINCGFJLDJIKDGACIECHCAAA.drew.adams@oracle.com>

    Are you saying that if you use `!' in the interactive spec then a user can
    have only the whole-set-at-once behavior and not also the
    act-on-each-candidate behavior? I thought we were talking about _adding_ the
    former, not substituting it for the latter. Now it sounds as if you want to
    take the latter away.

The number of misunderstandings that have occurred in this
conversation have exausted my patience.  I cannot continue it.

I do not want to install Icicles as it exists, since it is a congeries
of features.  Some of those features I simply don't want.  Some I
would like to install, if they were implemented separately in the
cleanest possible way.  In particular, the multi-command behavior
is one I would accept if it is implemented cleanly.

I've suggested a clean approach for that feature, but I don't have
time to implement it myself.  If someone chooses to implement it, we
could install it.

Meanwhile, as I stated earlier, there are other small features in Icicles
that would be nice to install individually.

The practice of putting a congeries of features into a single
incoherent package creates a large and unnecessary obstacle to
installing some of them.  Often the obstacle is so big that none of
them ever get installed.

Thus we urge users to propose one feature at a time, one bug fix at a
time, etc.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-07-04  3:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 212+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-05-26  0:19 [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elisp manual index] Richard Stallman
2007-05-26  6:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-29  4:01   ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elisp manualindex] Drew Adams
2007-05-29 19:12     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-29 20:05       ` Stephen Berman
2007-05-29 20:58         ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-29 21:20           ` Stephen Berman
2007-05-29 21:25         ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elispmanualindex] Drew Adams
2007-05-29 21:03       ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elisp manualindex] Drew Adams
2007-05-30  3:20         ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-30  4:43           ` Drew Adams
2007-05-30  5:26             ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elispmanualindex] Drew Adams
2007-05-30 15:17             ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elisp manualindex] Johan Bockgård
2007-05-30 23:09               ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-30  5:23           ` David Kastrup
2007-05-30 23:01             ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-30 23:14               ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-02  2:54     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-02  9:18       ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-02 17:29         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-02 10:12       ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-06-02 17:29         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-02 23:47           ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-06-03 21:27             ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-02 10:18       ` Alan Mackenzie
2007-06-02 14:36         ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elispmanualindex] Drew Adams
2007-06-02 17:26         ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elisp manualindex] Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-02 23:47           ` Alan Mackenzie
2007-06-02 23:48             ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-02 17:29         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-02 18:10           ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elispmanualindex] Drew Adams
2007-06-03 21:27             ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-04  5:30               ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable inElispmanualindex] Drew Adams
2007-06-02 23:01           ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elisp manualindex] Miles Bader
2007-06-03  0:00           ` Karl Berry
2007-06-03 21:27             ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-03 22:52               ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-03 23:55                 ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elispmanualindex] Drew Adams
2007-06-04  5:01                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-04  5:42                     ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable inElispmanualindex] Drew Adams
2007-06-04 23:20                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-05  0:10                         ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enableinElispmanualindex] Drew Adams
2007-06-06  0:50                   ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elispmanualindex] Stefan Monnier
2007-06-06  2:12                     ` Drew Adams
2007-06-06 12:26                       ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-06 13:54                         ` Drew Adams
2007-06-06 15:06                           ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable inElispmanualindex] Drew Adams
2007-06-06 18:44                             ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-06 20:01                               ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-06 20:51                                 ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-06 21:18                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-06 22:01                                     ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-06 22:24                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-06 22:40                                         ` Karl Berry
2007-06-07 12:37                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-07 22:22                                             ` Karl Berry
2007-06-08  1:00                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-08  2:28                                                 ` Karl Berry
2007-06-08  6:58                                                   ` csant
2007-06-08 15:42                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-08  7:12                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-08  8:34                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-06 22:04                                     ` Karl Berry
2007-06-08  7:11                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-08  8:32                                 ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-08 15:46                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-08 15:52                                   ` propose adding Icicles to Emacs Drew Adams
2007-06-10 13:19                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-10 17:16                                       ` Drew Adams
2007-06-10 18:22                                         ` Sean O'Rourke
2007-06-11  0:09                                           ` Drew Adams
2007-06-11  9:44                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-11 18:33                                           ` Drew Adams
2007-06-11 19:17                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-11 20:53                                               ` Drew Adams
2007-06-11 21:46                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-11 23:21                                                   ` Drew Adams
2007-06-13  8:06                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-14  7:48                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-14 15:51                                                   ` Drew Adams
2007-06-14 16:07                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-15  0:39                                                       ` Drew Adams
2007-06-15 19:22                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-15 21:04                                                           ` Drew Adams
2007-06-16 18:51                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-16 18:51                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-16 18:51                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-16 20:53                                                           ` Drew Adams
2007-06-17  8:54                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-17 18:48                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-17 20:39                                                             ` Drew Adams
2007-06-17 21:18                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-17 23:07                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-18 21:17                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-18 23:31                                                                     ` Drew Adams
2007-06-19  8:16                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-19 14:47                                                                         ` Drew Adams
2007-06-18 14:56                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-19 22:26                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-20  6:46                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-28  2:41                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-28 15:47                                                                     ` Drew Adams
2007-06-28 19:25                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-28 20:03                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-29  5:10                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-18 21:31                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-19  3:52                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-19 22:26                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-19 23:11                                                                     ` Drew Adams
2007-06-20  1:19                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-19 22:47                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2007-06-19 23:15                                                                     ` Drew Adams
2007-06-20 14:19                                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-20 15:13                                                                       ` Drew Adams
2007-06-20 15:13                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-20 15:34                                                                         ` Drew Adams
2007-06-20 15:50                                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-20 16:02                                                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-20 16:38                                                                             ` Drew Adams
2007-06-20 17:28                                                                               ` Drew Adams
2007-06-20 17:51                                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-21  1:07                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-19 22:48                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-20 17:36                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-16 18:51                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-16 19:58                                                           ` Drew Adams
2007-06-16 18:51                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-16 22:36                                                           ` Drew Adams
2007-06-17 21:49                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-16 18:51                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-16 22:29                                                           ` Drew Adams
2007-06-17 21:48                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-17 22:18                                                               ` Drew Adams
2007-06-18 16:15                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-25 13:19                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-25 14:57                                                                     ` Drew Adams
2007-06-25 19:52                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-25 21:40                                                                         ` Drew Adams
2007-06-26 16:57                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-26 17:36                                                                             ` Drew Adams
2007-07-01 20:40                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-01 21:54                                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2007-07-02 19:47                                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-02 22:19                                                                                     ` Drew Adams
2007-07-03  4:24                                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-03  7:56                                                                                         ` Drew Adams
2007-07-04  3:43                                                                                           ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2007-07-04  6:13                                                                                             ` Drew Adams
2007-06-25 20:47                                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-21 18:35                                                                 ` Davis Herring
2007-06-21 18:39                                                                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-21 20:42                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2007-06-21 22:27                                                                     ` Davis Herring
2007-06-22  0:20                                                                       ` Drew Adams
2007-06-24 14:40                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-15  8:48                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-15 13:23                                                       ` Drew Adams
2007-06-15 22:45                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-13 16:21                                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-13 16:22                                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-13 19:00                                               ` Drew Adams
2007-06-14 16:19                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-15  1:01                                                   ` Drew Adams
2007-06-15 19:22                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-15 21:04                                                       ` Drew Adams
2007-06-16 18:50                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-17 18:46                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-17 19:35                                                       ` Drew Adams
2007-06-18 21:31                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-11  9:44                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-11 17:29                                           ` Drew Adams
2007-06-11 18:10                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-13  8:07                                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-13 15:23                                                 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-14  7:49                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-15  0:41                                                     ` Drew Adams
2007-06-15 19:22                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-15 21:04                                                         ` Drew Adams
2007-06-16 18:51                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-16 22:30                                                             ` Drew Adams
2007-06-13  8:07                                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-11  3:49                                     ` Miles Bader
2007-06-11  7:24                                       ` Drew Adams
2007-06-11 16:25                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-11  9:44                                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-11 18:41                                         ` Drew Adams
2007-06-12  0:43                                           ` Miles Bader
2007-06-12  8:08                                             ` Kim F. Storm
2007-06-12  9:18                                               ` joakim
2007-06-12 11:04                                                 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-06-12 11:16                                                   ` joakim
2007-06-12 13:30                                                     ` Drew Adams
2007-06-12 14:06                                                     ` keys that work on terminals (was: Re: propose adding Icicles to Emacs) Dan Nicolaescu
2007-06-12 14:45                                                       ` keys that work on terminals joakim
2007-06-12 13:22                                               ` propose adding Icicles to Emacs Drew Adams
2007-06-06 15:43                           ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elispmanualindex] Stefan Monnier
2007-06-04  5:01                 ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elisp manualindex] Richard Stallman
2007-06-04 23:51                   ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-05  3:55                     ` Miles Bader
2007-06-05 16:29                       ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-05 17:12                         ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elispmanualindex] Drew Adams
2007-06-05 19:17                       ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elisp manualindex] Richard Stallman
2007-06-05 22:32                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-06  0:32                       ` Karl Berry
2007-06-06 22:10                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-06 22:21                           ` Karl Berry
2007-06-02 22:34       ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-02 22:42     ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-03  3:07       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-03  9:34         ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-03 21:23           ` Karl Berry
2007-06-03 21:27           ` Richard Stallman

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