From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: Karl Fogel <kfogel@red-bean.com>
Cc: hacksaw@hacksaw.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, jasonr@gnu.org
Subject: Re: A wish, a plea
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:24:47 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1I1lwF-0007Es-1t@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87k5twjyfs.fsf@red-bean.com> (message from Karl Fogel on Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:27:51 -0700)
But so what? Why should that affect UI decisions? A Lisp Interaction
buffer that doesn't even prompt to save on exit is a pointless default
for the vast majority of Emacs's users. Putting that message in it
doesn't make it any more useful, it just allows us to transfer blame.
I agree with that approach to the issue.
The reason for the note in *scratch* is to help users avoid lossage.
It isn't meant as a way for us to escape blame. This isn't a question
of blame anyway. The question is how to make Emacs better for users.
Some users do use *scratch* as intended, so we should not get rid of it.
We can't get rid of the problem by changing the initial buffer. Emacs
normally starts up with no files visited, and it has to have some
current buffer. Whatever that buffer is, it will raise the same issue.
So I think we should do these things:
1. Arrange to set buffer-offer-save to t in *scratch*
if it is ever changed.
2. Turn on auto-saving for it. (Just how Emacs should check for an
auto-save file for *scratch* could take some fine tuning.)
3. Maybe also start it out read-only.
4. Maybe also pop up a warning if the user types more than 500
self-inserting characters in *scratch* without ever doing Lisp
evaluation.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-06-22 16:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-06-21 3:49 A wish, a plea Hacksaw
2007-06-21 18:50 ` Davis Herring
2007-06-21 18:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-21 19:12 ` Davis Herring
2007-06-22 16:24 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-21 18:55 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-22 3:59 ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-21 19:07 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-21 19:17 ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-21 21:53 ` Frank Schmitt
2007-06-22 0:36 ` Taylor Venable
2007-06-21 19:43 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-22 3:57 ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-21 20:56 ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-22 6:27 ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-21 21:36 ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22 16:24 ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2007-06-22 17:27 ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-22 21:53 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-21 21:19 ` Sascha Wilde
2007-06-21 21:26 ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22 6:36 ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-21 22:08 ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-21 23:04 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-22 6:51 ` csant
2007-06-22 16:24 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-22 17:12 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-22 21:53 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-25 20:47 ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-25 21:05 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-25 21:30 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-25 21:30 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-22 8:03 ` Sascha Wilde
2007-06-22 8:11 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22 8:21 ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22 8:33 ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-22 12:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-22 12:43 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22 12:51 ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-22 13:08 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22 13:16 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22 12:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-22 18:46 ` Glenn Morris
2007-06-22 19:50 ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-22 19:58 ` Glenn Morris
2007-06-22 20:22 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-22 10:23 ` Initial splash screen (was Re: A wish, a plea) Stephen Berman
2007-06-22 11:43 ` Initial splash screen David Kastrup
2007-06-22 14:19 ` Stephen Berman
2007-06-22 20:09 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22 23:07 ` Stephen Berman
2007-06-22 21:53 ` Initial splash screen (was Re: A wish, a plea) Richard Stallman
2007-06-22 22:11 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-23 13:19 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-23 14:57 ` Initial splash screen David Kastrup
2007-06-22 22:46 ` Initial splash screen (was Re: A wish, a plea) Stephen Berman
2007-06-23 6:42 ` Initial splash screen David Kastrup
2007-06-23 10:43 ` Stephen Berman
2007-06-23 18:27 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-23 19:05 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-25 13:19 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-25 13:34 ` Mathias Dahl
2007-06-25 13:38 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22 18:51 ` A wish, a plea Richard Stallman
2007-06-22 20:05 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-23 13:19 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-23 14:45 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-23 19:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-24 14:41 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-22 19:02 ` Ryan Yeske
2007-06-28 1:04 ` Davis Herring
2007-06-22 16:24 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-22 16:36 ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-22 21:53 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-23 6:21 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-23 18:27 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-23 18:58 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2007-06-23 19:07 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-24 14:41 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-23 19:47 ` Hacksaw
2007-06-24 15:13 ` Sascha Wilde
2007-06-24 17:18 ` Hacksaw
2007-06-24 23:46 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-25 8:07 ` Sascha Wilde
2007-06-21 23:18 ` Andreas Schwab
2007-06-22 7:57 ` Sascha Wilde
2007-06-22 8:01 ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-22 8:16 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-22 8:32 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22 9:06 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-22 9:20 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22 9:55 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-22 8:01 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-06-22 8:15 ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-22 8:19 ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-22 11:58 ` David House
2007-06-22 8:20 ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22 13:19 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-22 13:33 ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22 14:23 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-06-22 14:34 ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22 15:10 ` David House
2007-06-22 15:31 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-23 23:48 ` Johan Bockgård
2007-06-24 0:06 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-24 0:15 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-24 1:17 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-24 10:15 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-24 14:05 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-24 14:22 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-24 14:28 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-25 20:47 ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-25 21:28 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-22 8:41 ` Glyn Millington
2007-06-22 11:54 ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22 12:33 ` Glyn Millington
2007-06-22 9:03 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-22 14:02 ` Denis Bueno
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