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From: Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: stephen@xemacs.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Syncing Gnus and Emacs repositories
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:19:59 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1I0TK3-0006ZL-GS@etlken.m17n.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <u8xahrrsb.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:23:00 +0300)

In article <u8xahrrsb.fsf@gnu.org>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> >  > So in that case, making such changes in the Unicode branch directly,
> >  > as I suggested, would be a good way of installing changes without
> >  > interfering with the future merge, right?
> > 
> > Assuming that those making changes in the Unicode branch are
> > thoroughly familiar with it, yes.

> Are you sure such a thorough familiarity is indeed required?  AFAIK,
> most of the radical changes in the Unicode branch are fairly
> low-level; the changes to application-level APIs are relatively minor
> and matter in marginal cases.  E.g., most Lisp programs should not
> care about the internal representation of characters in buffers and
> strings.  Emacs 22 already unifies Latin and various other scripts in
> a way that, at least on the outside, closely resembles Unicode-based
> representation of characters.

> Handa-san, can you comment on this?

What you wrote in the above paragraph is almost right.

But, fairly big programs (especially gnus, and the other
mail tools) have to pay attention to characters decoding and
encoding, and almost all workarounds for the Emacs 22's
legacy charset/code-point model get wrong (or unnecessary)
for emacs-unicode.  Some of already existing workarounds may
have bugs (or shortages).  More the merging delays, the
possibility of people spending their time for fixing them in
vain gets higher.  In addition, such a fix in the trunk
tends to cause confliction when merged into emacs-unicode-2
branch.

---
Kenichi Handa
handa@m17n.org

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-06-19  2:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 134+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-06-13 18:41 Syncing Gnus and Emacs repositories Reiner Steib
2007-06-13 19:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-13 21:47   ` Reiner Steib
2007-06-13 22:21     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-13 22:41       ` Glenn Morris
2007-06-13 23:22         ` Chong Yidong
2007-06-14  6:31           ` Emacs 23 development policy (was: Syncing Gnus and Emacs repositories) Reiner Steib
2007-06-14  7:25             ` David Reitter
2007-06-14 13:42               ` Adrian Robert
2007-06-14 19:56                 ` Emacs 23 development policy Stefan Monnier
2007-06-14 16:20           ` Syncing Gnus and Emacs repositories Richard Stallman
2007-06-14 16:27             ` Chong Yidong
2007-06-15  0:57               ` Kenichi Handa
2007-06-15  2:03                 ` Miles Bader
2007-06-15  3:14                   ` Kenichi Handa
2007-06-15  2:35                 ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-15 19:22                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-15 21:48                     ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-16 18:50                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-16 19:23                         ` Chong Yidong
2007-06-16 19:28                           ` David Kastrup
2007-06-17  8:54                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-17 19:47                               ` David Kastrup
2007-06-17  8:54                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-18  1:36                             ` Kenichi Handa
2007-06-18 21:30                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-19  5:01                                 ` Kenichi Handa
2007-06-19  5:31                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-19 22:26                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-20 13:18                                     ` Kenichi Handa
2007-06-20 17:36                                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-15 22:12                     ` David Kastrup
2007-06-16 10:48                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-16 12:09                         ` David Kastrup
2007-06-16 13:01                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-16 13:13                             ` David Kastrup
2007-06-16 13:23                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-16 14:05                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-16 16:34                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-16 17:38                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-06-16 18:26                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-16 13:55                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2007-06-16 14:16                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-17 23:07                             ` Kenichi Handa
2007-06-18  3:10                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-18  5:18                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-18  6:01                                   ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-18 19:12                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-18 21:12                                       ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-19 22:25                                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-18 19:11                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-18 21:30                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-18  6:53                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-06-18  7:24                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-06-18  8:34                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-06-18  8:50                                       ` David Kastrup
2007-06-18 19:23                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-19  0:53                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-06-19  5:17                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-19  5:37                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-06-19  6:09                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-19 17:53                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-06-19  5:21                                       ` David Kastrup
2007-06-19  2:19                                     ` Kenichi Handa [this message]
2007-06-19  5:20                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-23  8:13                                   ` Giorgos Keramidas
2007-06-16 18:50                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-16 14:22                     ` Proposal for a 22.2/trunk development model (was: Syncing Gnus and Emacs repositories) Dan Nicolaescu
2007-06-16 14:37                       ` Proposal for a 22.2/trunk development model David Kastrup
2007-06-16 16:01                         ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-06-16 16:41                           ` David Kastrup
2007-06-16 17:05                             ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-07-01 20:40                       ` Proposal for a 22.2/trunk development model (was: Syncing Gnus and Emacs repositories) Richard Stallman
2007-06-15 19:21               ` Syncing Gnus and Emacs repositories Richard Stallman
2007-06-14 16:48             ` Jay Belanger
2007-06-17 13:47     ` Reiner Steib
2007-07-09  2:22       ` Miles Bader
2007-07-09 17:21         ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-10 10:33           ` Miles Bader
2007-07-10 12:19             ` Daiki Ueno
2007-07-10 15:51               ` Leo
2007-07-10 20:05                 ` Miles Bader
2006-12-16  2:58                   ` [bug] PGG shows ?? when prompt for passphrase Leo
2006-12-17  1:30                     ` Daiki Ueno
2006-12-17  2:18                       ` Leo
2006-12-17  3:28                         ` Daiki Ueno
2006-12-17  4:18                           ` Leo
2006-12-17  4:28                             ` Daiki Ueno
2006-12-17  5:27                               ` Leo
2006-12-18  1:12                               ` Richard Stallman
2006-12-18  1:34                                 ` Daiki Ueno
     [not found]                                   ` <E1GwhJI-0003jz-GI@fencepost.gnu.org>
2006-12-19 23:55                                     ` Daiki Ueno
     [not found]                           ` <E1Gw733-00050z-Ic@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]                             ` <c371ac3b-6629-4e1a-a023-92982698664b@well-done.deisui.org>
     [not found]                               ` <6662a3b9-1148-4aa0-bd2d-29a67be38d76@well-done.deisui.org>
     [not found]                                 ` <E1Gx14z-0000Zc-Lm@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]                                   ` <5a520e06-4ee3-4c4f-9345-d49a666516f9@well-done.deisui.org>
     [not found]                                     ` <E1GyDFo-00006s-IW@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]                                       ` <7f60c21d-2f66-4c4b-9abb-e377ca24a153@well-done.deisui.org>
     [not found]                                         ` <fe674575-f87f-46e4-8287-6481b3fc6f03@well-done.deisui.org>
     [not found]                                           ` <E1Gz20z-0003hC-Nb@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]                                             ` <844cd50a-ec18-4b09-a057-35bdfb5173fd@well-done.deisui.org>
     [not found]                                               ` <E1GzP1P-0006JH-Lb@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]                                                 ` <8ba25607-9381-4a27-ae53-8b0f3ccc3ac1@well-done.deisui.org>
     [not found]                                                   ` <E1Gzg8G-0002bZ-JG@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]                                                     ` <366fa6ab-42a0-4df5-a17f-4ac3d1744d78@well-done.deisui.org>
     [not found]                                                       ` <E1H0Jui-0005YH-HB@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]                                                         ` <ec5e0f1b-45c5-4ed5-ae1c-766fa33e3ee0@well-done.deisui.org>
2006-12-30 18:24                                                           ` pgg-encrypt is a pain in the neck Richard Stallman
2006-12-30 19:41                                                             ` Sascha Wilde
2006-12-31  1:02                                                               ` Daiki Ueno
2006-12-31 12:27                                                                 ` Sascha Wilde
2006-12-31 14:07                                                                   ` Reiner Steib
2006-12-31 14:38                                                                     ` Daiki Ueno
2006-12-31 22:13                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2006-12-31  1:47                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2006-12-31 12:54                                                                 ` Sascha Wilde
2006-12-31 14:13                                                                   ` Daiki Ueno
2006-12-31 22:13                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-02  0:28                                                                     ` Daiki Ueno
2007-01-02 16:37                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-02 19:53                                                                         ` Reiner Steib
2006-12-31 22:13                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-02 18:43                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-31  1:46                                                           ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                                                       ` <E1H0Juj-0005YY-RU@fencepost.gnu.org>
2007-07-10 22:47                                                         ` Syncing Gnus and Emacs repositories Daiki Ueno
2007-07-10 22:54                                                           ` Miles Bader
2007-07-11  0:07                                                             ` Daiki Ueno
2007-07-11 21:03                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-10 21:29                   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-07-11  2:25                     ` Miles Bader
2007-07-11 21:03                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-11  3:05                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-11  3:43                   ` Daiki Ueno
2007-07-11  9:38                     ` Sascha Wilde
2007-07-11 10:22                       ` Daiki Ueno
2007-07-11 21:04                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-14  8:38 ` Miles Bader
     [not found] <E1Ibp6i-0001vw-LM@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found] ` <b4m7im7spqn.fsf@jpl.org>
2007-10-01 17:40   ` [mail.list.steel.mental@gmail.com: chinese group names can not displayed properly in *Complation* buffer] Richard Stallman
2007-10-01 18:27     ` Syncing Gnus and Emacs repositories (was: [mail.list.steel.mental@gmail.com: chinese group names can not displayed properly in *Complation* buffer]) Reiner Steib
2007-10-02  3:32       ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-02  7:16         ` Syncing Gnus and Emacs repositories Reiner Steib
2007-10-02 13:35           ` Daiki Ueno
2007-10-02 21:59             ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-03 11:09               ` Daiki Ueno
2007-10-03 11:29                 ` Leo
2007-10-03 13:41                   ` Reiner Steib
2007-10-03 14:10                     ` Leo
2007-10-04  2:03                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-16 21:10               ` Reiner Steib
2007-10-16 21:19                 ` Miles Bader
2007-10-02 21:59           ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-16 20:58             ` Reiner Steib

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