From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: propose adding Icicles to Emacs Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:31:12 -0400 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1182202444 7821 80.91.229.12 (18 Jun 2007 21:34:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:34:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: juri@jurta.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 18 23:34:01 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1I0OrI-0007wQ-Rz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:34:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I0OrI-0006NH-AJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:34:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1I0Ooc-0005Ei-LG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:31:14 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1I0Ooc-0005EO-7i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:31:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I0Oob-0005ED-UA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:31:13 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1I0Oob-0000ga-5S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:31:13 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1I0Ooa-0008AJ-FU; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:31:12 -0400 In-reply-to: X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:73255 Archived-At: > Not a good idea in fact. Face completions displayed in different faces > are hardly readable, and some of them which have black foreground on black > background (e.g. cursor, mouse, border) are not readable at all. I find it _very_ helpful. What you say is true for only a few corner cases, in general. The current code handles all cases acceptably. It sounds like your method is better in most cases, but much worse in a few cases. As it is, we cannot use it. For instance, even if you can't read its name in *Completions*, and you can't guess what it is by its position in the alphabetized list,... It is not acceptable for that to happen. However, maybe someone can turn your feature into a good one by adding a special case check for the cases that look bad with your code, and treat them differently. The result could be a feature that is always acceptable, while still having the same benefits in the usual case. That would be something we could install.