From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: propose adding Icicles to Emacs
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 03:49:38 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1Hyk5K-0006bi-Qj@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <EIENLHALHGIMHGDOLMIMMEGKDCAA.drew.adams@oracle.com>
My suggestion is to proceed in two stages: 1) take Icicles (i.e. add it to
Emacs) as a bundle now, offering it to general Emacs users as a separate,
optional package with its current functionality and design,
I have explained already why this is a bad idea.
It is not an option, because it adds a lot of unmodular code.
Icicles was implemented as an add-on, and to work with no changes
at the C level. The right way to implement the features in Emacs
is different.
An alternative (to my two-stage proposal, plan A), which I do not prefer but
which could also be workable for me, is for you not to add Icicles to Emacs,
but to instead take some of its ideas and add them in your own manner to
Emacs.
In effect, you have declined to help with installing these features in
the right way. I'm disappointed, but we can't make you do it.
We'll just have to see whether other people decide to do it.
There is another option: start with Icicles, rework it until its
implementation is clean and modular, and install that. For some of
the features, this may be easier. It too will wait for volunteers,
though.
You explained no such thing. You asked "how does it know what to call?", "is
it the same command?", etc. You asked if every command couldn't be
automatically converted to a multi-command. I responded to all of this in
detail - you have not replied to any of that.
That may have been true at the time you wrote it. It takes a long time
for me to answer mail. My response to that message went out in the same
transfer in which your premature rebuke came in.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-06-14 7:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 212+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-05-26 0:19 [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elisp manual index] Richard Stallman
2007-05-26 6:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-29 4:01 ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elisp manualindex] Drew Adams
2007-05-29 19:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-29 20:05 ` Stephen Berman
2007-05-29 20:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-29 21:20 ` Stephen Berman
2007-05-29 21:25 ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elispmanualindex] Drew Adams
2007-05-29 21:03 ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elisp manualindex] Drew Adams
2007-05-30 3:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-30 4:43 ` Drew Adams
2007-05-30 5:26 ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elispmanualindex] Drew Adams
2007-05-30 15:17 ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elisp manualindex] Johan Bockgård
2007-05-30 23:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-30 5:23 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-30 23:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-30 23:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-02 2:54 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-02 9:18 ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-02 17:29 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-02 10:12 ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-06-02 17:29 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-02 23:47 ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-06-03 21:27 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-02 10:18 ` Alan Mackenzie
2007-06-02 14:36 ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elispmanualindex] Drew Adams
2007-06-02 17:26 ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elisp manualindex] Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-02 23:47 ` Alan Mackenzie
2007-06-02 23:48 ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-02 17:29 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-02 18:10 ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elispmanualindex] Drew Adams
2007-06-03 21:27 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-04 5:30 ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable inElispmanualindex] Drew Adams
2007-06-02 23:01 ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elisp manualindex] Miles Bader
2007-06-03 0:00 ` Karl Berry
2007-06-03 21:27 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-03 22:52 ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-03 23:55 ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elispmanualindex] Drew Adams
2007-06-04 5:01 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-04 5:42 ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable inElispmanualindex] Drew Adams
2007-06-04 23:20 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-05 0:10 ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enableinElispmanualindex] Drew Adams
2007-06-06 0:50 ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elispmanualindex] Stefan Monnier
2007-06-06 2:12 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-06 12:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-06 13:54 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-06 15:06 ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable inElispmanualindex] Drew Adams
2007-06-06 18:44 ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-06 20:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-06 20:51 ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-06 21:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-06 22:01 ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-06 22:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-06 22:40 ` Karl Berry
2007-06-07 12:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-07 22:22 ` Karl Berry
2007-06-08 1:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-08 2:28 ` Karl Berry
2007-06-08 6:58 ` csant
2007-06-08 15:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-08 7:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-08 8:34 ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-06 22:04 ` Karl Berry
2007-06-08 7:11 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-08 8:32 ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-08 15:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-08 15:52 ` propose adding Icicles to Emacs Drew Adams
2007-06-10 13:19 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-10 17:16 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-10 18:22 ` Sean O'Rourke
2007-06-11 0:09 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-11 9:44 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-11 18:33 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-11 19:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-11 20:53 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-11 21:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-11 23:21 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-13 8:06 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-14 7:48 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-14 15:51 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-14 16:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-15 0:39 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-15 19:22 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-15 21:04 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-16 18:51 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-16 18:51 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-16 18:51 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-16 20:53 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-17 8:54 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-17 18:48 ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-17 20:39 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-17 21:18 ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-17 23:07 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-18 21:17 ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-18 23:31 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-19 8:16 ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-19 14:47 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-18 14:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-19 22:26 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-20 6:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-28 2:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-28 15:47 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-28 19:25 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-28 20:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-29 5:10 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-18 21:31 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-19 3:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-19 22:26 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-19 23:11 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-20 1:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-19 22:47 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-19 23:15 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-20 14:19 ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-20 15:13 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-20 15:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-20 15:34 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-20 15:50 ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-20 16:02 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-20 16:38 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-20 17:28 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-20 17:51 ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-21 1:07 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-19 22:48 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-20 17:36 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-16 18:51 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-16 19:58 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-16 18:51 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-16 22:36 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-17 21:49 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-16 18:51 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-16 22:29 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-17 21:48 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-17 22:18 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-18 16:15 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-25 13:19 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-25 14:57 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-25 19:52 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-25 21:40 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-26 16:57 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-26 17:36 ` Drew Adams
2007-07-01 20:40 ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-01 21:54 ` Drew Adams
2007-07-02 19:47 ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-02 22:19 ` Drew Adams
2007-07-03 4:24 ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-03 7:56 ` Drew Adams
2007-07-04 3:43 ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-04 6:13 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-25 20:47 ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-21 18:35 ` Davis Herring
2007-06-21 18:39 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-21 20:42 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-21 22:27 ` Davis Herring
2007-06-22 0:20 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-24 14:40 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-15 8:48 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-15 13:23 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-15 22:45 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-13 16:21 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-13 16:22 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-13 19:00 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-14 16:19 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-15 1:01 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-15 19:22 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-15 21:04 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-16 18:50 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-17 18:46 ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-17 19:35 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-18 21:31 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-11 9:44 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-11 17:29 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-11 18:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-13 8:07 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-13 15:23 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-14 7:49 ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2007-06-15 0:41 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-15 19:22 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-15 21:04 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-16 18:51 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-16 22:30 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-13 8:07 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-11 3:49 ` Miles Bader
2007-06-11 7:24 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-11 16:25 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-11 9:44 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-11 18:41 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-12 0:43 ` Miles Bader
2007-06-12 8:08 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-06-12 9:18 ` joakim
2007-06-12 11:04 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-06-12 11:16 ` joakim
2007-06-12 13:30 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-12 14:06 ` keys that work on terminals (was: Re: propose adding Icicles to Emacs) Dan Nicolaescu
2007-06-12 14:45 ` keys that work on terminals joakim
2007-06-12 13:22 ` propose adding Icicles to Emacs Drew Adams
2007-06-06 15:43 ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elispmanualindex] Stefan Monnier
2007-06-04 5:01 ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elisp manualindex] Richard Stallman
2007-06-04 23:51 ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-05 3:55 ` Miles Bader
2007-06-05 16:29 ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-05 17:12 ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elispmanualindex] Drew Adams
2007-06-05 19:17 ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elisp manualindex] Richard Stallman
2007-06-05 22:32 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-06 0:32 ` Karl Berry
2007-06-06 22:10 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-06 22:21 ` Karl Berry
2007-06-02 22:34 ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-02 22:42 ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-03 3:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-03 9:34 ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-03 21:23 ` Karl Berry
2007-06-03 21:27 ` Richard Stallman
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