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* French refcard
@ 2007-03-19 23:18 Chong Yidong
  2007-03-19 23:23 ` Juanma Barranquero
                   ` (4 more replies)
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From: Chong Yidong @ 2007-03-19 23:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-devel

Apparently, there is an overfull box in the french refcard.  Could
anyone suggest a more concise way of saying

  charger un fichier en lecture seule dans l'autre fen\^etre

... whatever that means ;-)

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* Re: French refcard
  2007-03-19 23:18 French refcard Chong Yidong
@ 2007-03-19 23:23 ` Juanma Barranquero
  2007-03-19 23:46 ` Glenn Morris
                   ` (3 subsequent siblings)
  4 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Juanma Barranquero @ 2007-03-19 23:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: emacs-devel

On 3/20/07, Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com> wrote:

>   charger un fichier en lecture seule dans l'autre fen\^etre
>
> ... whatever that means ;-)

"load a read-only file in the other window", I think...

             Juanma

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* Re: French refcard
  2007-03-19 23:18 French refcard Chong Yidong
  2007-03-19 23:23 ` Juanma Barranquero
@ 2007-03-19 23:46 ` Glenn Morris
  2007-03-20 15:48   ` Chong Yidong
  2007-03-20  4:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
                   ` (2 subsequent siblings)
  4 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2007-03-19 23:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: emacs-devel

Chong Yidong wrote:

> Apparently, there is an overfull box in the french refcard.  Could
> anyone suggest a more concise way of saying
>
>   charger un fichier en lecture seule dans l'autre fen\^etre

There's plenty of vertical space in that column, so hacking in a line
break seems to work.

I was more concerned with the issue on p3, where M-x
prefer-coding-system runs into the next column. The following simple
patch seems to fix that, though I have some memory that I tried this
before, then rejected it. Maybe it messes up somewhere else? I can't
see where though...

***************
*** 265,271 ****
  % Tries to justify the beginning of the command name at the same place
  % as \key starts the key name.  (The "M-x " sticks out to the left.)
  \def\metax#1#2{\leavevmode\hbox to \hsize{\vbox
!   {\hsize=.74\hsize\rightskip=1em
     \raggedright \tolerance=20000
     \hskip\keyindent\hangindent=1em\strut#1\strut\par}%
     %\hskip-\metaxwidth minus 1fil
--- 265,271 ----
  % Tries to justify the beginning of the command name at the same place
  % as \key starts the key name.  (The "M-x " sticks out to the left.)
  \def\metax#1#2{\leavevmode\hbox to \hsize{\vbox
!   {\hsize=.7\hsize\rightskip=1em
     \raggedright \tolerance=20000
     \hskip\keyindent\hangindent=1em\strut#1\strut\par}%
     %\hskip-\metaxwidth minus 1fil
***************
*** 437,443 ****
  \threecol{s\'electionner le tampon dans l'autre fen\^etre}{C-x 4 b}{C-x 5 b}
  \threecol{afficher le tampon dans l'autre fen\^etre}{C-x 4 C-o}{C-x 5 C-o}
  \threecol{charger un fichier dans l'autre fen\^etre}{C-x 4 f}{C-x 5 f}
! \threecol{charger un fichier en lecture seule dans l'autre fen\^etre}{C-x 4 r}{C-x 5 r}
  \threecol{lancer Dired  dans l'autre fen\^etre}{C-x 4 d}{C-x 5 d}
  \threecol{trouver un tag dans l'autre fen\^etre}{C-x 4 .}{C-x 5 .}
  }}
--- 437,444 ----
  \threecol{s\'electionner le tampon dans l'autre fen\^etre}{C-x 4 b}{C-x 5 b}
  \threecol{afficher le tampon dans l'autre fen\^etre}{C-x 4 C-o}{C-x 5 C-o}
  \threecol{charger un fichier dans l'autre fen\^etre}{C-x 4 f}{C-x 5 f}
! \threecol{charger un fichier en lecture seule dans\cr
! \hskip 10pt l'autre fen\^etre}{C-x 4 r}{C-x 5 r}
  \threecol{lancer Dired  dans l'autre fen\^etre}{C-x 4 d}{C-x 5 d}
  \threecol{trouver un tag dans l'autre fen\^etre}{C-x 4 .}{C-x 5 .}
  }}

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* Re: French refcard
  2007-03-19 23:18 French refcard Chong Yidong
  2007-03-19 23:23 ` Juanma Barranquero
  2007-03-19 23:46 ` Glenn Morris
@ 2007-03-20  4:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
  2007-03-20 15:39   ` Stefan Monnier
  2007-03-20 15:32 ` Raffael Mancini
  2007-03-21  0:41 ` Richard Stallman
  4 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2007-03-20  4:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: emacs-devel

> From: Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com>
> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:18:48 -0400
> 
> Apparently, there is an overfull box in the french refcard.

How bad is it?  (How many points is it overfull by, according to TeX?)

If the number is small, you can disregard it, as no human will ever
notice.

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* Re: French refcard
  2007-03-19 23:18 French refcard Chong Yidong
                   ` (2 preceding siblings ...)
  2007-03-20  4:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2007-03-20 15:32 ` Raffael Mancini
  2007-03-21  0:41 ` Richard Stallman
  4 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Raffael Mancini @ 2007-03-20 15:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-devel

Chong Yidong wrote:
>   charger un fichier en lecture seule dans l'autre fen\^etre
I don't think there is a way to make this shorter without abbreviating
any words. That's how French is ;-)
Greets,
Raffael Mancini


PS: Translated literally:
charger (load) un fichier ( a file ) en (in)  lecture seule (read-only
[mode]) dans (in) l'autre (the other)  fenetre (window)

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* Re: French refcard
  2007-03-20  4:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2007-03-20 15:39   ` Stefan Monnier
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2007-03-20 15:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: Chong Yidong, emacs-devel

>> Apparently, there is an overfull box in the french refcard.
> How bad is it?  (How many points is it overfull by, according to TeX?)
> If the number is small, you can disregard it, as no human will ever
> notice.

Only if it's *really* small: don't underestimate nitpickers,


        Stefan

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* Re: French refcard
  2007-03-19 23:46 ` Glenn Morris
@ 2007-03-20 15:48   ` Chong Yidong
  2007-03-20 21:30     ` Glenn Morris
  2007-03-21  6:37     ` Glenn Morris
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Chong Yidong @ 2007-03-20 15:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: emacs-devel

Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> writes:

> Chong Yidong wrote:
>
>> Apparently, there is an overfull box in the french refcard.  Could
>> anyone suggest a more concise way of saying
>>
>>   charger un fichier en lecture seule dans l'autre fen\^etre
>
> There's plenty of vertical space in that column, so hacking in a line
> break seems to work.
>
> I was more concerned with the issue on p3, where M-x
> prefer-coding-system runs into the next column. The following simple
> patch seems to fix that, though I have some memory that I tried this
> before, then rejected it. Maybe it messes up somewhere else? I can't
> see where though...

Well, if you don't see where, why not check it in.

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* Re: French refcard
  2007-03-20 15:48   ` Chong Yidong
@ 2007-03-20 21:30     ` Glenn Morris
  2007-03-21  3:35       ` Stefan Monnier
                         ` (2 more replies)
  2007-03-21  6:37     ` Glenn Morris
  1 sibling, 3 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2007-03-20 21:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-devel


What size paper are the postscript documents in etc/ supposed to be
on? I've been making them A4 when regenerating them, because they seem
to look bad on letter, but this seems contrary to normal Emacs
practice (US spelling, etc).

It seems some of them have a \letterpaper option, some set to US
letter, some to A4. Are all the non-English ones meant to be on A4 (do
any countries outside the US use US letter?), and all the English ones
letter?

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* Re: French refcard
  2007-03-19 23:18 French refcard Chong Yidong
                   ` (3 preceding siblings ...)
  2007-03-20 15:32 ` Raffael Mancini
@ 2007-03-21  0:41 ` Richard Stallman
  4 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Richard Stallman @ 2007-03-21  0:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: emacs-devel

      charger un fichier en lecture seule dans l'autre fen\^etre

Does this make it fit?

      charger un fichier (lecture seule) dans l'autre fen\^etre

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* Re: French refcard
  2007-03-20 21:30     ` Glenn Morris
@ 2007-03-21  3:35       ` Stefan Monnier
  2007-03-21 12:43       ` Michaël Cadilhac
  2007-03-23  3:52       ` Glenn Morris
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2007-03-21  3:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: emacs-devel

> (do any countries outside the US use US letter?),

It turns out Canada uses "US letter" as well.


        Stefan

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* Re: French refcard
  2007-03-20 15:48   ` Chong Yidong
  2007-03-20 21:30     ` Glenn Morris
@ 2007-03-21  6:37     ` Glenn Morris
  2007-03-21  7:25       ` David Kastrup
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2007-03-21  6:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: emacs-devel

Chong Yidong wrote:

> Well, if you don't see where, why not check it in.

I checked in many hacks to make it fit on letter paper.

Post-release, someone who knows about TeX may want to do it properly
(or indeed convert all these files to LaTeX).

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* Re: French refcard
  2007-03-21  6:37     ` Glenn Morris
@ 2007-03-21  7:25       ` David Kastrup
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: David Kastrup @ 2007-03-21  7:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: Chong Yidong, emacs-devel

Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> writes:

> Chong Yidong wrote:
>
>> Well, if you don't see where, why not check it in.
>
> I checked in many hacks to make it fit on letter paper.
>
> Post-release, someone who knows about TeX may want to do it properly
> (or indeed convert all these files to LaTeX).

I don't think there is much point in converting them to LaTeX.  They
are strictly intended for printing on squeezed paper, and they do that
job reasonably well.

-- 
David Kastrup

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* Re: French refcard
  2007-03-20 21:30     ` Glenn Morris
  2007-03-21  3:35       ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2007-03-21 12:43       ` Michaël Cadilhac
  2007-03-21 21:51         ` Reiner Steib
  2007-03-23  3:52       ` Glenn Morris
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Michaël Cadilhac @ 2007-03-21 12:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: emacs-devel


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Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> writes:

> Are all the non-English ones meant to be on A4 (do any countries
> outside the US use US letter?), and all the English ones letter?

Well, I had never seen « US letter » sized papers before I got one
From the FSF ;-)

Only A4 paper is used here (in France) for letter, basic printing, ...

If you need some help on this file (mainly on vocab), feel free to ask
me.  For the proposed sentence, I can't find better than Richard's
proposal.

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* Re: French refcard
  2007-03-21 12:43       ` Michaël Cadilhac
@ 2007-03-21 21:51         ` Reiner Steib
  2007-05-11 15:57           ` Michaël Cadilhac
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Reiner Steib @ 2007-03-21 21:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-devel

On Wed, Mar 21 2007, Michaël Cadilhac wrote:

> If you need some help on this file (mainly on vocab), feel free to ask
> me.  

Probably fr-refcard could be improved to fit on two pages, like the
de-refcard.  In June 2006 I wrote to Eric Jacoboni about this...

,----
| I think the major problem in fr-refcard.tex is this large linespread
| (I couldn't quickly find out how to fix it, though) and that French
| (and German) tends to produce longer explanations than English.
| Somehow Sven Joachim managed to produce a German refcard that fits
| nicely on two A4 pages (3 columns, landscape); maybe you can use the
| layout parts from document preamble of de-refcard.tex?
`----

Bye, Reiner.
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* Re: French refcard
  2007-03-20 21:30     ` Glenn Morris
  2007-03-21  3:35       ` Stefan Monnier
  2007-03-21 12:43       ` Michaël Cadilhac
@ 2007-03-23  3:52       ` Glenn Morris
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2007-03-23  3:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-devel

Glenn Morris wrote:

> What size paper are the postscript documents in etc/ supposed to be
> on? [...]
> It seems some of them have a \letterpaper option, some set to US
> letter, some to A4. Are all the non-English ones meant to be on A4 (do
> any countries outside the US use US letter?), and all the English ones
> letter?


In the absence of a clear rule, I implemented the scheme of "English
on letter, translations on A4", which at least makes a kind of sense
to me (though I could see a case for all a4 or all letter).

Sorry letter-using French Canadians, you're outnumbered by a4-using
Frenchmen.

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* Re: French refcard
  2007-03-21 21:51         ` Reiner Steib
@ 2007-05-11 15:57           ` Michaël Cadilhac
  2007-05-11 20:45             ` Reiner Steib
                               ` (2 more replies)
  0 siblings, 3 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Michaël Cadilhac @ 2007-05-11 15:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-devel


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Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:

> On Wed, Mar 21 2007, Michaël Cadilhac wrote:
>
>> If you need some help on this file (mainly on vocab), feel free to ask
>> me.  
>
> Probably fr-refcard could be improved to fit on two pages, like the
> de-refcard.  In June 2006 I wrote to Eric Jacoboni about this...

Okey, I had some time to spare, so I did it. I don't think the diff is
of any interest, because almost each line has been rewritten.

However, here are the urls for the document :
http://www.lrde.org/~cadilh_m/fr-refcard.ps
http://www.lrde.org/~cadilh_m/fr-refcard.dvi
http://www.lrde.org/~cadilh_m/fr-refcard.tex

This document now fits on two pages, with code taken from the
de-refcard.

Any advice appreciated !

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* Re: French refcard
  2007-05-11 15:57           ` Michaël Cadilhac
@ 2007-05-11 20:45             ` Reiner Steib
  2007-05-12 16:48             ` Richard Stallman
  2007-05-13 21:56             ` Michaël Cadilhac
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Reiner Steib @ 2007-05-11 20:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-devel

On Fri, May 11 2007, Michaël Cadilhac wrote:

> Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:
>> Probably fr-refcard could be improved to fit on two pages, like the
>> de-refcard.  In June 2006 I wrote to Eric Jacoboni about this...
>
> Okey, I had some time to spare, so I did it. I don't think the diff is
> of any interest, because almost each line has been rewritten.
>
> However, here are the urls for the document :
> http://www.lrde.org/~cadilh_m/fr-refcard.ps
[...]
> http://www.lrde.org/~cadilh_m/fr-refcard.tex
>
> This document now fits on two pages, with code taken from the
> de-refcard.
>
> Any advice appreciated !

The layout looks good (I can't say anything WRT the language as my
French is quite rusty).

I'd suggest to install it in EMACS_22_BASE, but maybe you should wait
for Richard's approval.

Bye, Reiner.
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* Re: French refcard
  2007-05-11 15:57           ` Michaël Cadilhac
  2007-05-11 20:45             ` Reiner Steib
@ 2007-05-12 16:48             ` Richard Stallman
  2007-05-13 21:56             ` Michaël Cadilhac
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Richard Stallman @ 2007-05-12 16:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Michaël Cadilhac; +Cc: emacs-devel

Please install this in EMACS_22_BASE, since it can't break any code.
Thank you.

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* Re: French refcard
  2007-05-11 15:57           ` Michaël Cadilhac
  2007-05-11 20:45             ` Reiner Steib
  2007-05-12 16:48             ` Richard Stallman
@ 2007-05-13 21:56             ` Michaël Cadilhac
  2007-05-14 16:52               ` Richard Stallman
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Michaël Cadilhac @ 2007-05-13 21:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-devel


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michael@cadilhac.name (Michaël Cadilhac) writes:

> However, here are the urls for the document :
> http://www.lrde.org/~cadilh_m/fr-refcard.ps
> http://www.lrde.org/~cadilh_m/fr-refcard.pdf
> http://www.lrde.org/~cadilh_m/fr-refcard.dvi
> http://www.lrde.org/~cadilh_m/fr-refcard.tex

Updated (well, almost rewritten entirely again), thanks to the
recommendations of Laurent Le-Brun, Thomas Claveirole and Quentin
Hocquet.

If there's no more comment tomorrow, I'll install it. Note, I still need
an answer for this question (copyright issues maybe?)

> Speaking of which, should we keep the
> \centerline{traduction fran\c{c}aise d'\'Eric Jacoboni}
>                (French translation by Eric Jacoboni)
> line?   I've modified almost every line of it, rewriting the file from
> the German one, but I think (I don't know about copyright issues) that
> there's no need to put such a line (well, it'd be certainly gratifying,
> but it's not in the FOSS way of life, isn't it :-)).

Cheers.

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* Re: French refcard
  2007-05-13 21:56             ` Michaël Cadilhac
@ 2007-05-14 16:52               ` Richard Stallman
  2007-05-15  9:51                 ` Michaël Cadilhac
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Richard Stallman @ 2007-05-14 16:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Michaël Cadilhac; +Cc: emacs-devel

    If there's no more comment tomorrow, I'll install it.

Please install it in the trunk and in EMACS_22_BASE.

							  Note, I still need
    an answer for this question (copyright issues maybe?)

I answered you in my first batch of mail after seeing the previous
message about this issue.  It takes time for me to receive mail and
respond.  Please wait 30 hours before you start to suppose there
might be some problem.

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* Re: French refcard
  2007-05-14 16:52               ` Richard Stallman
@ 2007-05-15  9:51                 ` Michaël Cadilhac
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Michaël Cadilhac @ 2007-05-15  9:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: rms; +Cc: emacs-devel


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Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

>     If there's no more comment tomorrow, I'll install it.
>
> Please install it in the trunk and in EMACS_22_BASE.

Done.

> I answered you in my first batch of mail after seeing the previous
> message about this issue.  It takes time for me to receive mail and
> respond.  Please wait 30 hours before you start to suppose there
> might be some problem.

Yes, sorry.  I was more or less asking Reiner here, who seems in charge
of the refcards, but it wasn't clear.

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2007-03-20 15:48   ` Chong Yidong
2007-03-20 21:30     ` Glenn Morris
2007-03-21  3:35       ` Stefan Monnier
2007-03-21 12:43       ` Michaël Cadilhac
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2007-05-12 16:48             ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-13 21:56             ` Michaël Cadilhac
2007-05-14 16:52               ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-15  9:51                 ` Michaël Cadilhac
2007-03-23  3:52       ` Glenn Morris
2007-03-21  6:37     ` Glenn Morris
2007-03-21  7:25       ` David Kastrup
2007-03-20  4:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-03-20 15:39   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-03-20 15:32 ` Raffael Mancini
2007-03-21  0:41 ` Richard Stallman

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