From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 50, Issue 7 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:55:04 -0500 Message-ID: References: <459BB893.9010106@gnu.org> <8764bns96l.fsf@cs.cmu.edu> <459CE689.3020006@swipnet.se> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1168052254 1760 80.91.229.12 (6 Jan 2007 02:57:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 02:57:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eliz@gnu.org, jan.h.d@swipnet.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org, md5i@cs.cmu.edu, jasonr@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 06 03:57:31 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1H31kQ-0008F4-Ak for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 03:57:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H31kP-00083E-RS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:57:29 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1H31iV-0007ET-HJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:55:31 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1H31iU-0007E6-QL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:55:31 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H31iU-0007Dz-L1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:55:30 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H31iU-0005zD-Al for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:55:30 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1H31i4-0000NM-Rb; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:55:04 -0500 Original-To: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) In-reply-to: (storm@cua.dk) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:64853 Archived-At: Why does it matter whether it was IBM, Apple or M$ who invented the C-z C-x C-c C-v shortcuts (and thus broke compatibility with Emacs)? someone else said it was unfair to attribute these to Microsoft, since others actually designed the interface. No matter what we think or feel, or whether history is on our side, most "modern" applications use these bindings -- including GNOME, KDE and Firefox, so today it is Emacs which is "incompatible" with "common practice". That is why it is important to note that Emacs and its command set came first.