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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: ueno@unixuser.org, peterb@kenny.sha-bang.de,
	reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: pgg-encrypt is a pain in the neck
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 20:47:05 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1H0pmz-0005Is-5V@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m27iw9jhni.fsf@kenny.sha-bang.de> (message from Sascha Wilde on Sat, 30 Dec 2006 20:41:21 +0100)

    PGG is rather "low level" in context of mail encryption, but please
    bear in mind, that there are other uses for GnuPG: You can encrypt
    other private or confidential stuff just to keep it safe without
    sending it per mail, and that's where the currently available user
    functions come in handy.

    I agree, that a more generic solution might be worthwhile, but I don't
    think that pgg is "broke" or needs to be "fixed" in this regard.

There seems to be a disagreement about this.  Daiki Ueno told me that
PGG could do what Mailcrypt does; I found it cannot, and you say it
isn't supposed to.

Your viewpoint seems to be that PGG is actually meant only for use
from other Lisp programs.  If so, I don't think it really needs to be
documented on its own.  If PGG is currently only useful via Gnus, then
I think the documentation of gpg-agent is only needed in the Gnus
manual, since it is only relevant for Gnus.  Could someone please install
the text that Daiki Ueno wrote into the Gnus manual?

Meanwhile, it is unfortunate that Emacs has most of what is needed to
do the job of Mailcrypt but fails to actually deliver that
functionality to the user.  I hope people will implement this, soon
after the release.

    Btw. I think one source of this problem is that we currently have two
    (or more?) mail composition modes in Emacs: message mode coming from
    gnus and mail mode.

I have always been unhappy with the Gnus developers for writing
another mail composition mode without discussing with me whether we
should have another.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-12-31  1:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 122+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-06-13 18:41 Syncing Gnus and Emacs repositories Reiner Steib
2007-06-13 19:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-13 21:47   ` Reiner Steib
2007-06-13 22:21     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-13 22:41       ` Glenn Morris
2007-06-13 23:22         ` Chong Yidong
2007-06-14  6:31           ` Emacs 23 development policy (was: Syncing Gnus and Emacs repositories) Reiner Steib
2007-06-14  7:25             ` David Reitter
2007-06-14 13:42               ` Adrian Robert
2007-06-14 19:56                 ` Emacs 23 development policy Stefan Monnier
2007-06-14 16:20           ` Syncing Gnus and Emacs repositories Richard Stallman
2007-06-14 16:27             ` Chong Yidong
2007-06-15  0:57               ` Kenichi Handa
2007-06-15  2:03                 ` Miles Bader
2007-06-15  3:14                   ` Kenichi Handa
2007-06-15  2:35                 ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-15 19:22                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-15 21:48                     ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-16 18:50                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-16 19:23                         ` Chong Yidong
2007-06-16 19:28                           ` David Kastrup
2007-06-17  8:54                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-17 19:47                               ` David Kastrup
2007-06-17  8:54                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-18  1:36                             ` Kenichi Handa
2007-06-18 21:30                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-19  5:01                                 ` Kenichi Handa
2007-06-19  5:31                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-19 22:26                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-20 13:18                                     ` Kenichi Handa
2007-06-20 17:36                                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-15 22:12                     ` David Kastrup
2007-06-16 10:48                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-16 12:09                         ` David Kastrup
2007-06-16 13:01                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-16 13:13                             ` David Kastrup
2007-06-16 13:23                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-16 14:05                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-16 16:34                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-16 17:38                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-06-16 18:26                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-16 13:55                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2007-06-16 14:16                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-17 23:07                             ` Kenichi Handa
2007-06-18  3:10                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-18  5:18                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-18  6:01                                   ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-18 19:12                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-18 21:12                                       ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-19 22:25                                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-18 19:11                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-18 21:30                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-18  6:53                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-06-18  7:24                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-06-18  8:34                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-06-18  8:50                                       ` David Kastrup
2007-06-18 19:23                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-19  0:53                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-06-19  5:17                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-19  5:37                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-06-19  6:09                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-19 17:53                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-06-19  5:21                                       ` David Kastrup
2007-06-19  2:19                                     ` Kenichi Handa
2007-06-19  5:20                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-23  8:13                                   ` Giorgos Keramidas
2007-06-16 18:50                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-16 14:22                     ` Proposal for a 22.2/trunk development model (was: Syncing Gnus and Emacs repositories) Dan Nicolaescu
2007-06-16 14:37                       ` Proposal for a 22.2/trunk development model David Kastrup
2007-06-16 16:01                         ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-06-16 16:41                           ` David Kastrup
2007-06-16 17:05                             ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-07-01 20:40                       ` Proposal for a 22.2/trunk development model (was: Syncing Gnus and Emacs repositories) Richard Stallman
2007-06-15 19:21               ` Syncing Gnus and Emacs repositories Richard Stallman
2007-06-14 16:48             ` Jay Belanger
2007-06-17 13:47     ` Reiner Steib
2007-07-09  2:22       ` Miles Bader
2007-07-09 17:21         ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-10 10:33           ` Miles Bader
2007-07-10 12:19             ` Daiki Ueno
2007-07-10 15:51               ` Leo
2007-07-10 20:05                 ` Miles Bader
2006-12-16  2:58                   ` [bug] PGG shows ?? when prompt for passphrase Leo
2006-12-17  1:30                     ` Daiki Ueno
2006-12-17  2:18                       ` Leo
2006-12-17  3:28                         ` Daiki Ueno
2006-12-17  4:18                           ` Leo
2006-12-17  4:28                             ` Daiki Ueno
2006-12-17  5:27                               ` Leo
2006-12-18  1:12                               ` Richard Stallman
2006-12-18  1:34                                 ` Daiki Ueno
     [not found]                                   ` <E1GwhJI-0003jz-GI@fencepost.gnu.org>
2006-12-19 23:55                                     ` Daiki Ueno
     [not found]                           ` <E1Gw733-00050z-Ic@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]                             ` <c371ac3b-6629-4e1a-a023-92982698664b@well-done.deisui.org>
     [not found]                               ` <6662a3b9-1148-4aa0-bd2d-29a67be38d76@well-done.deisui.org>
     [not found]                                 ` <E1Gx14z-0000Zc-Lm@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]                                   ` <5a520e06-4ee3-4c4f-9345-d49a666516f9@well-done.deisui.org>
     [not found]                                     ` <E1GyDFo-00006s-IW@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]                                       ` <7f60c21d-2f66-4c4b-9abb-e377ca24a153@well-done.deisui.org>
     [not found]                                         ` <fe674575-f87f-46e4-8287-6481b3fc6f03@well-done.deisui.org>
     [not found]                                           ` <E1Gz20z-0003hC-Nb@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]                                             ` <844cd50a-ec18-4b09-a057-35bdfb5173fd@well-done.deisui.org>
     [not found]                                               ` <E1GzP1P-0006JH-Lb@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]                                                 ` <8ba25607-9381-4a27-ae53-8b0f3ccc3ac1@well-done.deisui.org>
     [not found]                                                   ` <E1Gzg8G-0002bZ-JG@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]                                                     ` <366fa6ab-42a0-4df5-a17f-4ac3d1744d78@well-done.deisui.org>
     [not found]                                                       ` <E1H0Jui-0005YH-HB@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]                                                         ` <ec5e0f1b-45c5-4ed5-ae1c-766fa33e3ee0@well-done.deisui.org>
2006-12-30 18:24                                                           ` pgg-encrypt is a pain in the neck Richard Stallman
2006-12-30 19:41                                                             ` Sascha Wilde
2006-12-31  1:02                                                               ` Daiki Ueno
2006-12-31 12:27                                                                 ` Sascha Wilde
2006-12-31 14:07                                                                   ` Reiner Steib
2006-12-31 14:38                                                                     ` Daiki Ueno
2006-12-31 22:13                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2006-12-31  1:47                                                               ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2006-12-31 12:54                                                                 ` Sascha Wilde
2006-12-31 14:13                                                                   ` Daiki Ueno
2006-12-31 22:13                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-02  0:28                                                                     ` Daiki Ueno
2007-01-02 16:37                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-02 19:53                                                                         ` Reiner Steib
2006-12-31 22:13                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-02 18:43                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-31  1:46                                                           ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                                                       ` <E1H0Juj-0005YY-RU@fencepost.gnu.org>
2007-07-10 22:47                                                         ` Syncing Gnus and Emacs repositories Daiki Ueno
2007-07-10 22:54                                                           ` Miles Bader
2007-07-11  0:07                                                             ` Daiki Ueno
2007-07-11 21:03                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-10 21:29                   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-07-11  2:25                     ` Miles Bader
2007-07-11 21:03                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-11  3:05                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-11  3:43                   ` Daiki Ueno
2007-07-11  9:38                     ` Sascha Wilde
2007-07-11 10:22                       ` Daiki Ueno
2007-07-11 21:04                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-14  8:38 ` Miles Bader

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