lisp/progmodes/idlw-help.el copyright

lisp/progmodes/idlw-help.el copyright

[Glenn Morris]

lisp/progmodes/idlw-help.el:

;; Copyright (c) 2000 Carsten Dominik
;; Copyright (c) 2001, 2002 J.D. Smith
;; Copyright (c) 2003,2004,2005,2006 Free Software Foundation

It is not clear to me if "J.D. Smith <jdsmith@as.arizona.edu>" is the
same person as the only J.D. Smith I can find in copyright.list:

    EMACS   John-David T. Smith     Us      1973    2001-06-23
    Assigns past and future changes.(vc.el, vc-cvs.el)
    jdsmith@alum.mit.edu



Also (for my education), does Carsten Dominik's 2000 copyright remain
because his assignment:

    EMACS   Carsten Dominik Germany 1961    1999-05-04
    Assigns IDLWAVE and future changes.
    Co-author: Chris Chase
    dominik@strw.leidenuniv.nl

does not contain "past" changes?

Re: lisp/progmodes/idlw-help.el copyright

[Richard Stallman]

    It is not clear to me if "J.D. Smith <jdsmith@as.arizona.edu>" is the
    same person as the only J.D. Smith I can find in copyright.list:

	EMACS   John-David T. Smith     Us      1973    2001-06-23
	Assigns past and future changes.(vc.el, vc-cvs.el)
	jdsmith@alum.mit.edu

I am sure they are, but it is ok to double check if you want to.

    Also (for my education), does Carsten Dominik's 2000 copyright remain
    because his assignment:

	EMACS   Carsten Dominik Germany 1961    1999-05-04
	Assigns IDLWAVE and future changes.
	Co-author: Chris Chase
	dominik@strw.leidenuniv.nl

    does not contain "past" changes?

They assigned the entire program IDLWAVE, plus any future changes to it.
That is normal; no problem.

However, I do see a real problem: we have no papers for org mode,
and no papers for his changes to Emacs since 2004.

(Maybe the original org mode was covered by his assignment of past changes
in 2004.)

I will contact him now.

How did I let this slip by?  It is very disturbing!

Re: lisp/progmodes/idlw-help.el copyright

[JD Smith]

On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 20:20:54 -0500, Glenn Morris wrote:

> 
> lisp/progmodes/idlw-help.el:
> 
> ;; Copyright (c) 2000 Carsten Dominik
> ;; Copyright (c) 2001, 2002 J.D. Smith
> ;; Copyright (c) 2003,2004,2005,2006 Free Software Foundation
> 
> It is not clear to me if "J.D. Smith <jdsmith@as.arizona.edu>" is the
> same person as the only J.D. Smith I can find in copyright.list:
> 
>     EMACS   John-David T. Smith     Us      1973    2001-06-23
>     Assigns past and future changes.(vc.el, vc-cvs.el)
>     jdsmith@alum.mit.edu

We are the same.  

> Also (for my education), does Carsten Dominik's 2000 copyright remain
> because his assignment:
> 
>     EMACS   Carsten Dominik Germany 1961    1999-05-04
>     Assigns IDLWAVE and future changes.
>     Co-author: Chris Chase
>     dominik@strw.leidenuniv.nl

Carsten moved IDLWAVE into Emacs in 2000, but the help support packages
were distributed separately (since they relied on non-free HTML
documentation).  In 2003, a new method was developed which overcame this
issue, and idlw-help.el was moved in.  Do I need to do something to update
my copyright assignment for idlw*.el?  Carsten no longer maintains it.

JD

Re: lisp/progmodes/idlw-help.el copyright

[Glenn Morris]

Richard Stallman wrote:

> They assigned the entire program IDLWAVE, plus any future changes to
> it. That is normal; no problem.

If you say there is no problem here, fine.

If you have time to explain, however, I'd like to understand why this
file has a slightly different copyright header to most others.

Why is it:

;; Copyright (c) 2000 Carsten Dominik
;; Copyright (c) 2001, 2002 J.D. Smith
;; Copyright (c) 2003,2004,2005,2006 Free Software Foundation

and not:

;; Copyright (c) 2001,2002,2003,2004,2005,2006 Free Software Foundation

Re: lisp/progmodes/idlw-help.el copyright

[Glenn Morris]

JD Smith wrote:
> We are the same.  
Thanks for confirming!
Maybe a quick mail to assign@gnu.org asking them to add to the copyright file
the email address you use for Emacs changes would be useful?
> issue, and idlw-help.el was moved in. Do I need to do something to
> update my copyright assignment for idlw*.el? Carsten no longer
> maintains it.
I was confused by the fact that your assignment only seems to mention
    EMACS   John-David T. Smith     Us      1973    2001-06-23
    Assigns past and future changes.(vc.el, vc-cvs.el)
    jdsmith@alum.mit.edu
But I probably just misunderstand the file. RMS seems to say there is
no problem.
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:59:01 -0500
In-Reply-To: <pan.2006.12.11.17.17.50.538390@as.arizona.edu> (JD Smith's
	message of "Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:17:51 -0700")
Message-ID: <mv4ps2m6vu.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org>
User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/)

Re: lisp/progmodes/idlw-help.el copyright

[Glenn Morris]

[re-sending due to some formatting weirdness with first attempt, sorry]

JD Smith wrote:

> We are the same.

Thanks for confirming!

Maybe a quick mail to assign@gnu.org asking them to add to the
copyright file the email address you use for Emacs changes would be
useful?

> issue, and idlw-help.el was moved in. Do I need to do something to
> update my copyright assignment for idlw*.el? Carsten no longer
> maintains it.

I was confused by the fact that your assignment only seems to mention
vc:

    EMACS   John-David T. Smith     Us      1973    2001-06-23
    Assigns past and future changes.(vc.el, vc-cvs.el)
    jdsmith@alum.mit.edu

But I probably just misunderstand the file. RMS seems to say there is
no problem.

Re: lisp/progmodes/idlw-help.el copyright

[JD Smith]

On Dec 11, 2006, at 3:02 PM, Glenn Morris wrote:

>
> [re-sending due to some formatting weirdness with first attempt,  
> sorry]
>
> JD Smith wrote:
>
>> We are the same.
>
> Thanks for confirming!
>
> Maybe a quick mail to assign@gnu.org asking them to add to the
> copyright file the email address you use for Emacs changes would be
> useful?

Will do.

>> issue, and idlw-help.el was moved in. Do I need to do something to
>> update my copyright assignment for idlw*.el? Carsten no longer
>> maintains it.
>
> I was confused by the fact that your assignment only seems to mention
> vc:
>
>     EMACS   John-David T. Smith     Us      1973    2001-06-23
>     Assigns past and future changes.(vc.el, vc-cvs.el)
>     jdsmith@alum.mit.edu
>
> But I probably just misunderstand the file. RMS seems to say there is
> no problem.

Carsten originally submitted IDLWAVE and assigned its copyright, I  
took over maintenance later (and added idlw-help), years after I had  
submitted some modest improvements to VC.  Probably my "past and  
future changes" statement should indicate IDLWAVE as well.

Re: lisp/progmodes/idlw-help.el copyright

[Glenn Morris]

JD Smith wrote:

>>     Assigns past and future changes.(vc.el, vc-cvs.el)
[...]
> Carsten originally submitted IDLWAVE and assigned its copyright, I  
> took over maintenance later (and added idlw-help), years after I had  
> submitted some modest improvements to VC.  Probably my "past and  
> future changes" statement should indicate IDLWAVE as well.

My problem is, I don't understand what the '(vc.el, vc-cvs.el)' means
above. If that comment were not there, I would have no confusion.
Possibly it is just informational, but it sort of makes it look (to
me) as if your assignment were just for vc. As I said, I probably
misunderstand, so unless RMS says there is a problem, don't worry.

Re: lisp/progmodes/idlw-help.el copyright

[Richard Stallman]

We don't need more papers from you, as long as you agree that your
contributions to IDLWAVE count as changes to Emacs.

Re: lisp/progmodes/idlw-help.el copyright

[Richard Stallman]

    Why is it:

    ;; Copyright (c) 2000 Carsten Dominik
    ;; Copyright (c) 2001, 2002 J.D. Smith
    ;; Copyright (c) 2003,2004,2005,2006 Free Software Foundation

    and not:

    ;; Copyright (c) 2001,2002,2003,2004,2005,2006 Free Software Foundation

No matter what changes happen in the NAMES, YEARS should never be
removed.  So the year 2000 should be present.

However, I don't know of any reason why should still carry the names
of Carsten Dominik and J.D.Smith.  I think someone forgot to change
them.  Would you please change them now?

Re: lisp/progmodes/idlw-help.el copyright

[Richard Stallman]

    I was confused by the fact that your assignment only seems to mention
	EMACS   John-David T. Smith     Us      1973    2001-06-23
	Assigns past and future changes.(vc.el, vc-cvs.el)
	jdsmith@alum.mit.edu

That covers ALL his changes to Emacs.  At the time, he mentioned
having changed vc.el and vc-cvs.el, but the papers are not limited
to them.

Re: lisp/progmodes/idlw-help.el copyright

[JD Smith]

On Tue, 2006-12-12 at 09:29 -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
> We don't need more papers from you, as long as you agree that your
> contributions to IDLWAVE count as changes to Emacs.

Yes, of course.

JD

Re: lisp/progmodes/idlw-help.el copyright

[JD Smith]

> However, I don't know of any reason why should still carry the names of
> Carsten Dominik and J.D.Smith.  I think someone forgot to change them. 
> Would you please change them now?

Fixed and submitted.