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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: mah@everybody.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: xml-parse-file and text properties
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 00:46:41 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1G3muP-0000l5-26@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1153433461.32596.48.camel@turtle.as.arizona.edu> (message from JD Smith on Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:11:01 -0700)

    ;; Note that {buffer-substring,match-string}-no-properties were
    ;; formerly used in several places, but that removes composition info.

    but neither of us were clear on the meaning of the statement, or why
    retaining text properties in any XML parsed data would be desirable.  

I think I see why.  Losing the composition info could mean that the
composed characters turn into other sequences of characters.  It
literally would change the text!

This is an ugly problem.  Many things want to get rid of most text
properties, but they don't want to forget about composition.
Logically speaking, composition is really part of the characters in
the text.  Using text properties to encode it is fundamentally
inconsistent.

We have been lucky so far, in that this inconsistency has not caused a
lot of problems -- but now our luck is running out.

I can see only two kinds of approaches:

1. Distinguish composition properties from others, and make functions
like buffer-substring-no-properties preserve composition properties,
even as they discard all other properties.

2. Change the representation of composition so it uses something other
than text properties.

#2 would be a big maintenance trouble.  It would take us a long time
to get everything working again after such a change.  We certainly
should not install such a change now, and I hope we won't need to do
it ever.

Can #1 work?


Handa, please respond.

  reply	other threads:[~2006-07-21  4:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-07-18 21:35 xml-parse-file and text properties JD Smith
2006-07-20 21:46 ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-20 22:11   ` JD Smith
2006-07-21  4:46     ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2006-07-21  6:35       ` Kenichi Handa
2006-07-21  7:24         ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-21  8:14           ` Kenichi Handa
2006-07-22  4:39         ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-21 16:13       ` Kevin Rodgers
2006-07-21 23:33         ` Kevin Rodgers
2006-07-20 21:46 ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-20 22:40   ` JD Smith
2006-07-21 12:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2006-07-21 17:34   ` JD Smith
2006-07-21 20:22     ` Stefan Monnier
2006-07-21 21:50       ` JD Smith
2006-07-22 15:49       ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-24  1:51         ` Kenichi Handa
2006-07-24  3:17           ` Stefan Monnier
2006-07-24  4:36             ` Kenichi Handa
2006-07-24 18:22           ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-24 20:38             ` Stuart D. Herring
2006-07-25  3:09               ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-25 14:00                 ` Stefan Monnier
2006-07-25 22:15                   ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-24 20:51             ` Stefan Monnier
2006-07-25  3:09               ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-21 20:52     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2006-07-21 21:45       ` JD Smith
2006-07-22  9:15         ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-24 16:44           ` JD Smith
2006-07-25 16:05             ` JD Smith
2006-07-25 16:27               ` Stefan Monnier
2006-07-25 19:16                 ` JD Smith

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