From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Patch to remove minor modes in tutorial Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 07:06:54 -0400 Message-ID: References: <449D4787.6030809@student.lu.se> <449EFFBB.80508@student.lu.se> <449FE5AB.1080906@student.lu.se> <44A00F46.3010000@student.lu.se> <7dbe73ed0606290507g69c87b0cm96ef882d2f52e21d@mail.gmail.com> <85lkrg5eqq.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1151665673 27033 80.91.229.2 (30 Jun 2006 11:07:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 11:07:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ihs_4664@yahoo.com, storm@cua.dk, emacs-devel@gnu.org, mathias.dahl@gmail.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 30 13:07:51 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwGqc-0003od-UQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:07:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwGqc-0006iv-Em for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 07:07:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FwGps-0006Ec-Sr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 07:06:57 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FwGps-0006DX-9c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 07:06:56 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwGps-0006DJ-0d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 07:06:56 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FwH2d-0006g9-4M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 07:20:07 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1FwGpq-0007lR-5f; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 07:06:54 -0400 Original-To: David Kastrup In-reply-to: <85lkrg5eqq.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (message from David Kastrup on Thu, 29 Jun 2006 14:27:09 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:56316 Archived-At: We could recommend to start a session with emacs -q if one suspects stuff in the tutorial to fail because of customizations. We could, but Kim is right in point out that this isn't really useful. The tutorial exists for using Emacs, not vice versa. Making the tutorial "work right" in teaching standard Emacs won't enable the user to use his non-standard Emacs.