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From: Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, storm@cua.dk,
	alkibiades@gmx.de
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Unicode Lisp reader escapes
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:33:48 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1FhzIq-0001vc-00@etlken> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1FhcG5-0002nB-VN@fencepost.gnu.org> (message from Richard Stallman on Sat, 20 May 2006 20:57:25 -0400)

In article <E1FhcG5-0002nB-VN@fencepost.gnu.org>, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

>     (1) use emacs-mule coding system
>     (2) use one of iso-2022 based coding systems (they include
>     iso-8859-X) with setting enable-character-translation to nil
>     in "Local Variables" section.

>     (1) works now.  (2) doens't work now but easy to make it
>     work as I wrote in the previous mail.

> People have pointed out disadvantages of (1).

I don't think that is a big problem because it seems that
it's very rare to handle *.el file by some tool other than
Emacs.

> Maybe (2) is a good solution.  Iwant to check, though.  It would turn
> off *all* character translation.  We need to verify that this is ok.

I believe it is ok.

> Supposing that unify-8859-on-decoding-mode is off, and you read a file
> in an iso-2022 coding system.  What character translation is done, or
> might be done, and in what cases?

> In this code,

>     (defun ucs-fragment-8859 (for-encode for-decode)
>       "Undo the unification done by `ucs-unify-8859'.
>     With prefix arg, undo unification on encoding only, i.e. don't undo
>     unification on input operations."
>       (when for-decode
> 	;; Don't Unify 8859 on decoding.
> 	;; For non-CCL coding systems (e.g. iso-latin-2).
> 	(set-char-table-parent standard-translation-table-for-decode nil)

> we turn off the parent of standard-translation-table-for-decode.
> But what else might standard-translation-table-for-decode do
> for some of these coding systems?

standard-translation-table-for-decode is for reflecting any
user preferences on decoding.  So, it can do anything.  If
one hates SOFT-HYPEN (U+00AD), he can map it to `-'.

The default value of standard-translation-table-for-decode
is not nil.  It contains a mapping for
JISX0208.1978->JISX0208.1980 and JISX0201->ASCII.  But, this
is to compensate for an encoding used in Japan in vary old
time, and even if Emacs reads a *.el file in such an
encoding, on writing, the new encoding is used.  That means
that the mapping is not used when the file is read next
time.

So, disabling character translation on reading an iso-2022
*.el file effectively stabilize the byte-compiling of the
file without any actual problem.

---
Kenichi Handa
handa@m17n.org

  reply	other threads:[~2006-05-22  1:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 202+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-04-29 15:35 [PATCH] Unicode Lisp reader escapes Aidan Kehoe
2006-04-29 23:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2006-04-30  8:26   ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-04-30  3:04 ` Richard Stallman
2006-04-30  8:14   ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-04-30 20:53     ` Richard Stallman
2006-04-30 21:04       ` Andreas Schwab
2006-04-30 21:57         ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-04-30 22:14           ` Andreas Schwab
2006-05-01 18:32         ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-01 19:03           ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-02  4:45             ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-02  0:46           ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-02  6:41           ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-02 21:36             ` Richard Stallman
2006-04-30 21:56       ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-01  1:44         ` Miles Bader
2006-05-01  3:12           ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-01  3:41             ` Miles Bader
2006-05-01 12:29               ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-05 23:15       ` Juri Linkov
2006-05-06 23:36         ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-09 20:43           ` Juri Linkov
2006-05-11  3:44             ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-11 12:03               ` Juri Linkov
2006-05-11 13:16                 ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-12  4:15                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-06-03 18:44                   ` Aidan Kehoe
     [not found]                   ` <17537.54719.354843.89030@parhasard.net>
     [not found]                     ` <ufyieqj0v.fsf@gnu.org>
2006-06-15 18:38                       ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-06-17 18:57                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-06-18 16:11                           ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-06-18 19:55                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-06-20  2:37                               ` Kenichi Handa
2006-06-20 17:56                                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-06-23 18:35                                 ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-06-24  6:50                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-02  6:43 ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-02  7:00   ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-02 10:45     ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-02 11:13       ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-02 19:31         ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-02 20:25           ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-02 22:16             ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-02 11:33     ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-02 22:50       ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-03  7:43         ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-03 17:21         ` Kevin Rodgers
2006-05-03 18:51           ` Andreas Schwab
2006-05-04 21:14             ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-08  1:31               ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-08  6:54                 ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-08 13:55                 ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-08 14:24                   ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-08 15:32                     ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-08 16:39                       ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-08 17:39                         ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-09  7:04                           ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-09 19:05                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-10  6:05                               ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-10 17:49                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-10 21:37                                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-05-11  3:45                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-10 21:48                                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-05-11  1:08                                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-05-11  2:29                                     ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-05-11  3:46                                   ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-09  0:36                   ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-02 10:36   ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-02 10:59     ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-02 19:26       ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-03  2:59     ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-03  8:47       ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-03 14:21         ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-03 18:26           ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-03 21:12             ` Ken Raeburn
2006-05-04 14:17             ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-04 16:41               ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-05 10:39                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-05 16:35                   ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-05 19:05                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-05 19:20                   ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-05 19:57                     ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-06 14:25                       ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-06 17:26                         ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-07  5:01                           ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-07  6:38                             ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-07  7:00                               ` David Kastrup
2006-05-07  7:15                                 ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-07 16:50                             ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-08 22:28                               ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-04  1:33           ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-04  8:23             ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-04 11:57               ` Kim F. Storm
2006-05-04 12:18                 ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-04 12:21                   ` Kim F. Storm
2006-05-04 16:31                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-04 21:40                     ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-05 10:25                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-05 12:31                         ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-05 18:08                           ` Stuart D. Herring
2006-05-05 13:05                         ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-05 17:23                           ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-04 13:07                 ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-04 16:32             ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-04 20:55               ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-05  9:33                 ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-05 10:02                   ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-05 18:33                   ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-05 18:42                     ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-05 21:37                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-06 14:24                   ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-06 15:01                     ` Oliver Scholz
     [not found]                     ` <877j4z5had.fsf@gmx.de>
2006-05-07  5:00                       ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-07 12:38                         ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-07 21:26                           ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-08  1:14                             ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-08 22:29                             ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-09  3:42                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-09 20:41                                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-09 21:03                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-10  3:33                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-09  5:13                               ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-10  3:20                                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-10  5:37                                   ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-10  7:22                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-11  3:45                                       ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-11 12:41                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-11 12:51                                           ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-11 16:46                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-11  3:44                                     ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-11  3:44                                     ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-11  7:31                                       ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-12  4:14                                         ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-12  5:26                                           ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-13  4:52                                             ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-13 13:25                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-13 20:41                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-14 13:32                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-14 23:29                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-15  0:55                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-15  2:49                                                         ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-15  3:27                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-15 10:20                                                             ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-15 11:12                                                               ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-15 20:37                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-16  9:49                                                             ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-16 11:16                                                               ` Kim F. Storm
2006-05-16 11:39                                                                 ` Romain Francoise
2006-05-16 11:58                                                                 ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-16 14:24                                                                   ` Kim F. Storm
2006-05-17  3:45                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-17  8:37                                                                     ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-17 20:09                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-17 12:37                                                                     ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-19  2:05                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-19  8:47                                                                         ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-18  1:09                                                                     ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-21  0:57                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-22  1:33                                                                         ` Kenichi Handa [this message]
2006-05-22 15:12                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-23  1:05                                                                             ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-23  5:18                                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2006-05-24  2:18                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-06-02  6:49                                                                                   ` Kenichi Handa
2006-06-02  8:00                                                                                     ` Kim F. Storm
2006-06-02  9:27                                                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2006-06-02 10:50                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-06-02 11:39                                                                                       ` Kenichi Handa
2006-06-02 12:12                                                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2006-06-02 22:39                                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2006-06-03  6:42                                                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2006-06-04  2:23                                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2006-06-05  7:24                                                                                             ` Kenichi Handa
2006-06-05 21:31                                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2006-06-07  1:24                                                                                                 ` Kenichi Handa
2006-06-02 22:39                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-24  2:17                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-17 15:15                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-17  3:45                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-17  3:45                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-17  8:53                                                                 ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-17 20:09                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-18  9:12                                                                     ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-15 20:37                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-15  5:13                                               ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-15  8:06                                                 ` Kim F. Storm
2006-05-15  9:04                                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2006-05-15 20:38                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-15 14:08                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-15 20:37                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-16 10:07                                                   ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-18  0:31                                                   ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-11  9:44                                       ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-08  7:36                           ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-08  7:50                             ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-05 19:05               ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-05 21:43                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-06 14:25                   ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-04  1:26         ` Kenichi Handa
     [not found] <E1FaJ0b-0008G8-8u@monty-python.gnu.org>
2006-04-30 21:16 ` Jonathan Yavner
2006-05-01 18:32   ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-02  5:03     ` Jonathan Yavner

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